testing a crossover


hi guys and girls i have a
problem with my 3 way  wilmslow-audio mirrage speakers , I am hoping you can help me with the problem,.
Lately my power amp went pop and i sent it away for repair,when i
received it back {repaired} it went pop again,on sending it back to
the repair technician ,he has come back to me ,and asked me to take
some ohms readings on the speakers, on testing the speakers , i run
these speakers using 2 power amps{Arcam Alpha 10s,using one for low
pass{bass} and the other for MID/HIGH,this is the amp which keeps
blowing,on the high /mid,on testing the terminal the bass{low pass}
read {left speaker]7.9 ohms ,right speaker bass 6.8ohms, But on the
left and right speakers hi/mid ,both read 0.0 ohms,{which we all know
is wrong}
BUT the strange thing is,when the blown amp was away,i only used one
power amp to run both speakers in bi wire config,and they worked
ok,all being a bit lack of bass and tightness,but still sound great.
So i stripped both speakers and checked the drivers,all 6 drivers
where good no shorts reading approx correct ohms for age,{Speakers
disconnected from x over}.can any one help with this,i would be so much in debt.
kind regards Mark
likklegerry
@fiesta75-     " I just don't want the OP to do anymore work on the boards before doing tests. It seems like he is doing rework in the middle of the tests and that could make some tests invalid. This could create more problems as I'm sure you know."

                              I get that and agree, fully!

       Still believing the problem to exist outside of the crossover components themselves: I'll stop flapping my fingertips!

     
@likkelgerry-    I do not envy you being so far from someone versed in electronic repair.

       Here's hoping you are able to locate the issue and get it resolved, without having anything further go awry with your amp.

        Unless the bi-amp configuration made a MAJOR leap upward, regarding sound quality, to your ears; I'd button things back up and run with one!

         Meanwhile: take the Wife OUT for some Meshana Skara or Mousaka and help her relax!     Top it off with some Marudnik (are wild berries in season over there?) and make her love you, again!

                                


       
Please look at this photo:

https://ucarecdn.audiogon.com/32d4343f-f8e2-4de2-95f7-2e0766972c94/-/autorotate/yes/

If that is a short, for bi-amping, it will connect two amplifier output together through the 3.5mH inductor and the 3.3Ω resistor. There could be more similar problem spots on the PCB that we can’t see from those photos, that was the reason I suggest OP to clean up the PCB and reinstall components.

imhififan - That is an excellent catch. I was beginning to think along with rodman, that maybe the problem was outside of the speaker crossovers. I think you may have nailed it. I suppose the single short could have caused both channels of the amp to have failed, or maybe the other board has similar issues? I have asked OP about a list of parts that were replaced when the amp was serviced, wonder if he has that info. What do you think about the lower than anticipated resistance measured across the 0.22mH inductor?
wow,such a lot of input,thx guys.ok
Fiesta 1st," Are you SURE that when you bi-amped the speakers after getting the amp back from servicing that you didn't forget to remove the second set of cables to the low and mid/hi inputs? "
the two amp to speakers where wired correctly,the cables are all marked up correctly left/right,plus minus, and they have different plug,banna and another type,so it impossible to mix them up,plus i dont ever use jumpers on the back of the speakers.
Sorry,not parts list available, he wouldn't give me one,i asked but got no reply on that score.he said it was getting too hot and fitted a fan after repair,which i wasnt keen on ,as i see that as covered up WHY it is getting too hot.
On doing re-work,all i have done is,removed the cables from the x-over and tested continuity from every component to the track on the PCB,every thing checked out,also i clean up the board with pcb cleaner,to remove flux stains.
change out from ,  4.2uf and the one you installed is 3.9uf,may not be correct,im still looking for the old caps,to verify the are the same type,like for like,as wilmslow may have updated that schem,as the speaker evolved with different drivers in it,as i have 100s and 100s of caps from different projects,im just struggling, at this moment to put my hands on them,
Rodman- the difference between using  one and two power amps,i heard my system using two and heard it using one,i dont want to back to one,tow sounds amazing,one sounds ok,im sure you know what i mean,ive been evolving this system for 30 years,i dont want to loose 10 of them,sorry.

"  Meanwhile: take the Wife OUT for some Meshana Skara or Mousaka and help her relax!    Top it off with some Marudnik (are wild berries in season over there?) and make her love you, again!"
30 years of Hifi,  i dont think one meal will cover that....you know how we get!!.but thx for the advise.

imahififan- no short,,the picture shows a little solder splash,where i DE soldered the other x-over cap to check it,but and in that picture the cap lead is not soldered down,but well spotted, that is studying these pics very closely thx.

So guys,it looks like we are running out of ideas,which makes me feel ,like it might be some thing else,as you guys would have picked up on it,

I know this may sound stupid,so when i test a speaker ,at the binding posts,disconnected,i cannot just put the mul/mtr in ohms and check to see what ohms the speaker is/are ??.as thats what ive done for years !!,im sure that when ,infact i know thats what i did when i found a a tweeter blown  and what i did when i re-capped the x-overs and when ever i test a speaker to see what ohms it is,totest its ok ??.

just a little note,when these amps have blown,they have made the same noise both times ,through the speakers,just like a little pop,then the amp goes into alarm,exactly the same sounds,just thought i would through that in there,
when ive tested these speaker in the past,the way i have expalained ,i have never had 0ohms for the mid/high ,im pretty sure of that,im just putting it out there,
Another thing ,because the amp is getting hot{but they do run hot [Arcam Alpha 10Ps} and they are 25 years old,do you think i should give them a re-cap?,will this possibly bring them back into spec and cool down a  little,.Anyway ill get back to my concreting.
cheers guys