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Blindfold Speaker testing

So if we made a  experiment where a  group of seasoned audiophiles had to choose  which speaker is best over all, 
6 brands all hidden behinda  curtain.
5 top dawgs in the xover box low sens design and 1 of the high sens PS design. How do you think the results will come out?
But we will not tell the group what speakers are behind the curtains, They will have no idea 1 of the speakers is Point Source. 
How do you think the, or lets say which 1 speaker do you think would come out on top?
No lets do this, Lets give the  group a  list of 5 speaker brands, Walsh, Wilson, Tannoy, and 2 others which are very popular, like Joseph with the Seas. 
and 1 more,
The mystery speaker is not listed, so they have no idea what speaker it is.
The ? speaker is the high sens Point Source.
Now Richard Gray hosts this *guess which speaker event* as he is a  master of these types of gimmicks and  has seasoned audiophiles fooled every single time.
Which speaker do you think will make top of the list in results??
I know.
The Mystery Speaker.
Then Richard pulls the curtain and reveals the winner.
 SURPRISEE
Got ya
The Hifi Guy


mozartfan
mozartfan OP
2,143 posts
 
The volume level must be matched,

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Absoluetly not, Vol stays the same, See here is where xovers completely fall apart in mid section, a HUGE  fq section it is.
Sure it will bea  dead giveaway when a  higher FR sens driver comes in to play.
Everyone will know,,ok, speaker C and F were  the FR models .
THis is the point of the testing, to revedal the obvious weaknesses inherent in the xover things in the mid fq.s
A weakness I never want again in my system. 
The  cheap 4 incg FR I am now using in place of the Seas Millennium,  is close to acceptable. = Beat out  the finest tweeter from Seas. At  less than 1/3rd the price. 
murphythecat
181 posts
 
Mozart, some of use have been playing with wideband drivers for decades (a decade for me). They are excellent at many things, and bad at many things as well.

" I’ve spent months looking at every Seas driver, trying to make something up,"
you can spend years "looking" at drivers. proof is in the pudding, in person audition. same with all those youtube videos you refer that "proved" to you that wideband are the secret audio sauce, you need to start listening to those wideband and live with these for a couple of months before making any final judgments. 
mozartfan OP
2,143 posts
 
Look go read all the raves on the Vox, AER, You can not find even 1 miniscule complaint of these speakers, except the price. 
Whereas how long/ how much has  the xover things been hyped these past decades.
And you know exactly what I am talking about.
I once thought the world of my Seas Thors,
Often I stated the Millennium was indeed the finest tweeter in the world. 
Then came along these various cheap chinese FR things. 
Now dome tweeters were exposed for their weaknesses, blantant, obvious, hyped. 

csmgolf
905 posts
 
The volume level must be matched,

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Absoluetly not, Vol stays the same
At least you admit it is a gimmick and not a true test. It has been proven by people willing to put the work into performing a proper test that listeners almost universally prefer the sound when it is louder in such a test. Not better or more accurate......louder. IOW, you could take any speaker and play it at 80 db. Then, while behind the curtain pretend to hook up a different set of speakers while leaving the same pair hooked up. Just turn the volume up to 82 db. Most will prefer "speaker B" even though it is the same speaker. The test you describe is never about trying to prove that one is better than the other. It is about, "Hey, I can trick these people". And you fell for it. LMAO
mozartfan OP
2,143 posts
 
No
The point of this excercise is to show how inefficient = read INEffective,,are the box xover things we all grew up with and is now longgg past time to leave those boom boxes behind.
Xovers will be shown, proved to be ~~flawed~ designs.

The very few Audiogon members who do  own AER and Vox are sitting on the sidelines, just reading these posts , and having a good laugh.
They well know what they have, which is a shame.
They ought to speak out as having owned neverly every loud speaker and now have settled on the high sens as their ultimate listening experience.
High sens owners are like a small closed niche, a Exclusive Club.
They pop in and make a few comments and pooof, gone .
For some reason they do not like to hang around here on Audiogon.
I guess they feel, why argue, why belabor the issue.
The xover group will never come over to FR and the High Sens will never ever go back to xovers.
And a wide gap separates the 2 camps forever.
There is no middle ground.
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