davidbigeye28 posts06-06-2008 9:33pm Hi Shadorn, Yes, I hear what you are saying. My next pair of speakers will be from the JBL Project line, with thier famous compression drivers and 15" bass units. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 15 inch bass driver? For CM?? Too much for kettle drums. My tech geek has heard JBL's, his assessment **too aggressive* = will take your head off. |
mrtennis3,295 posts06-22-2008 12:44amnot all "classical" music is orchestral. among those musical selections which are written for orchestra, some do have huge swings in spl. thus, it is possible to listen to many musical selections and achieve realism of timbre, at listening levels which never exceed 85 db. those reading these posts realize that many panel speakers do a decent job of reproducing classical music, at levels not exceeding 85 db. as i was listening to a cd yesterday, i was using a radio shack meter to asess the range of spl. as i was listening, my wife asked me to turn down the volume. at the time my radio shack meter registered 80 db. what's the point ? 85 db is subjectively loud in my opinion. exceeding 85 db is unnecessary in most cases, as far as i am concerned. i usually set my volume at about 70 db. loud passages are in the high 80s. next time i attend a symphony orchestra concert, i will bring an spl meter to determine loudness. since i sit in the last row of the prchestra, i bet most of the time, the meter reading is less than 90 db. listening louder than that is too loud for me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mrtennis has a excellent post here, Just perfect. A single driver has all the potential to make all the db level one will ever need for full rich COMPLETE orchestra. See this is what we are after here. Not loudness, HUGE MASSIVE soundtsgae, Not at all. Thats for jazz fans that want that live club feeling What we are after ina speaker for CM, is capturing all the tiny nunaces, subtilities, hidden within a classical recording, Big sound means nothing in classical music. This is where the new tech high sensitivity comes in. Sure its been around since 2010, in development stages. Now its here, since ohhh 2015ish. I just made the discovery 2020. Better late than never. |
jsadurni210 posts06-11-2008 3:01pmWe are all cooking in this audio kitchen, I have tried SS chip amps with horns and it was very good actually, the one I tried (have) is DIY but I guess a more refined amp could do very well, a very close friend has the Avantgarde Duos also and just changed from a class A PP Jadis amp to a Meishu SE Audionote, on his system this change was very good I was with him during the AB comparison stage, both amps there...on my system PP class A tube amp (Leak TL12.1) sounded much much better that AN P4 go figure... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thats pretty good, we are all chefs , at least the ones here who are upgrading, modifying, tweaking, their systems, Experimentation is what this hobby is all about. I am close to adding my 1st ever high tech wide band. My tech friend who builds amp, will loan me his DIY monoblocks Dyanco Mark4 modded with EL34's/12AU7 and one other pre tube , This will face a shootout with my jadis Defy7, upgraded caps to Mundorf's SESGO and new F&T's + new Takman Rey resistors. Along with these 2 amps he will loan me his 250 SET amp. I am curious how each tube performs on the high quality FR driver. With all sorts of music in this shootout, from high quality jazz recordings, to aweful live recordings, like Mahvishnu Orch Live in Central park. The main music will be full symphony orchestra which is the real test of any speakers perfornance. caveat: Speakers must have a sensitivty of 91db/higher. This cut off eliminates alot of famous and very popular xover type designs. And I also note Voxativ has quite a few of its single drivers at 91db. Based on that number, this marks the line in the sand whether a speaker makes the grade to voice my fav genre , classical. . 90db is too low sens, its going to miss too many nuances hidden withina full symphony orchestra. |
chashmal605 posts06-09-2008 9:04amI think you should avoid metal tweeters like B&W style speakers use. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Correct, Dome tweeters are excellent for jazz other genres, Dome tweets will not voice full symphony orchestra. its too small of a coil + sensitivity is too low. 2 liabilities/flaws. . The only speaker I know, other than massive horns, to voice CM full sym orch, are wide band/higher sensitivty speakers. |
ggavetti143 posts06-08-2008 10:21pmDCstep, actually some people believe the right sub can solve the problem, but I never tried it (actually, I tried a Velodyne but had no luck) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subs should not ever be employed for full symphony orchestra. Best musical woofer is the Seas W22 graphene with Mundorf Supreme silver/gold caps. far superior to any sub. Though about the same price as a high quality sub , The caps are expensive. |
