Downside of sensitivity?

whart2,220 posts05-21-2006 6:00pmOne of the drawbacks of having an extremely sensitive speaker system, eg 103db @ 1metre, is that everything, and I mean, EVERYTHING, can be heard

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Well most wide band are not over 100db sens. So its not really so much a  issue. 
But in CM its a very good thing to have the higher sens of 91db+++. 
There are countless subtle passages of harps, flutes and even cello sections which get completely ignored from 90db> xover designs. 
Horns yes, go over 100db, but I'm not so interested in horns. 

clfcarney29 posts05-21-2006 6:55pmThe downside of high sensitivity speakers had been that there were so few models available which were of high quality and low coloration.Over the last 5 years or so that has changed greatly.As you may be aware,there is something of a renaissance underway in older audio reproduction technologies,vinyl e.g..High sensitivity speakers have benefitted and there is a growing pool of high quality offerings out there.In fact many would argue that in terms of the assault on ultimate audio reproduction,high sensitivity designs lead the way.Dynamics are the key to lifelike reproduction and dynamics is what high semsitivity/efficiency designs are all about.
In general,high sensitivity designs are going to sound more lively,engaging and alive than lowish ones with complex crossovers.

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BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO
Only 29 posts, this guy is  Top Dawg audiophile. 
clfcarney is posting these incredible insights in the future of things, right at the very initial pgase of the new high tech wide band designs. 
UNREAL. 
carney was on the cutting edge of what , he thought might take place in the near future,,but seems he was off by some 20 years. 
The move away from xovers has not really begun yet. 
Folks are still pondering what these things are, how they voice music, wide band still remains shrouded ina  fog of mystery.
Will remain this way another 10 years. 
Flat earthers take a  while to come around. 
Wow, someone chisel Carney's post in stone, place it  at Audiogon's opening page.
Please. 

sean6,229 posts05-21-2006 10:25pmHigh sensitivity typically comes at the expense of wide bandwidth, power handling, convenient size, etc..

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Yes back in your 2006 world, Horns were about best bet for high sens. 
Lowther/Fostex had designs that had issues in the fq range width. 
Horns gave superior  band response, but as you say ata  price. = $$$$$ and size/weight +  not wife friendly, Horn set ups are ugly.

Now starting,,i guess in 2010, 2 labs began designs in new higher tech wide band drivers. 
many of the issues inherent in the earlier concepts, Lowter/Fostex, have been address with stunning success.
These Revolutionary designs still have not caught on. 
My guess is many audiophiles have rather large amplifiers for xover speakers and so are not capable to bring ina  higher sensitivity speaker. 
But I have heard, only anecdotally that is, PP amplifiers **will** work *just fine** with the new  wide band high sens speakers. 
I can not confirm this report. 
But considering this opinion came from a dealer in high sens wide band, gives some substance to his  experience. 

And the good thing to those who own EL34 amplifers, You are the real winners here. 
The EL34 **might** just be the most perfect tube for these  wide band drivers. 
Its your very lucky day.
You win.
I have too much money in upgardes for me to sell off my Defy7/KT88, besides  my tech says impossible to get top $ for the Defy as corrosion is  showing in  places, So I'm stuck with KT88  in my near future  plans to add a  wide band speaker. 
 

audiokinesis2,577 posts05-21-2006 11:05pmI think Sean covered the issue quite well.

In my opinion the single biggest downside to high efficiency is that you will need a bigger box to get the same bass extension. If you want the advantages of high efficiency (improved dynamic contrast, for instance) you either have to live with a bigger box, reduced bass extension, a powered bass section (built-in or as a separte subwoofer), or corner speaker placement.

Duke

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Indeed, back in  the days of 2006, wide band had issues reproducing the lower hz's and also roll off on the highs. 
Now these rolloff issues have been addressed in some of the newer (starting in 2010!!!! just 4 years after your post) wide band designs. 

If the bass is still not enough, the solution is quite simple, by  adding  a  Seas  W22 Graphene /but for even more  rock solid bass, add  a  Scan Speak $1k EACH  monsta midwoofer. 
  
My hunch is the  bass for my musical needs/classical,  and near field listening/small room will be more than adequate from a  single driver speaker. 

Small loudspeakers are highly compromised designs the bologna of audiophile products. Designed just as much as sound quality to fit a certain num on a pallet. More effort goes into making a small marketable product as does sound quality considerations. The consumer is told large is bad in modern design. But when dealing with wave reproduction small just doesn't cut it we hamstring our loudspeaker designs by making them overly small and requiring much power to function. This heats up VC causing listening fatigue small bass systems have much higher distortion, large sensitive loudspeakers do not suffer from such but can be large, and large is not a design problem it's the way it should be.