Which subwoofer?


I have a small room (10’x14’) and am wondering if a subwoofer would help. If so, which one?

I have Martin Logan electrostatic speakers with  8” powered 200 watt woofers and 8” passive radiators.  The bass is articulate, but not very deep. I am wondering if I could get more bass volume and depth without loosing detail with an additional subwoofer?
I have tried an 8” Velodyne, but could never integrate it with the Martin Logans so I sold it. 

The Martin Logans are powered by a 200 watt McIntosh receiver. 
Any thoughts?


kenrus
I've owned Velodyne, SVS and RBH subs - and now have a JL F112 V2.  The JL is in a completely different league in my system.
My main listening room is 13’x9’. I run three HSU subs. To my ears,they work very well. 
Martin Logan makes push/pull subs (top of their line) that are fast and just right for your Martin speakers. -1 For Hsu or ANY brand that have drivers that face downward, passives are okay, but not desired in my world. 2¢
@bdp24 

Thanks for the perspective! I will do some digging at Audiocircle.

In my case my dipole (naked) 18" midbasses go from 65Hz to 275Hz. I agree there is some weight loss (vs a sealed 18") but I have not heard this level of articulation before. Large midbass, though!

I noticed you xo your GR Research subs at 180Hz. What's your view about how much difference it makes to have sealed vs OB subs below 70Hz? I'm sold on the advantages on dipole above that, but wonder if taking the sealed sub DBA below 65Hz wouldn't be the most practical approach and deliver the same sound quality.
@ewinskih01: Danny Richie uses a pair of OB subs in the front of his room and a pair of F12G's in the rear (in both his company's listening room and at hi-fi shows), the F12's in phase opposite that of the the OB's. I believe he uses 40Hz as the x/o frequency between OB and F12.

OB subs sound different from sealed and ported for a number of reasons. Not just because of their dipole SPL drop-off with listening distance characteristic, and not just because the woofers don't have an enclosure in which to produce resonances.

First, their dipole design produces a null on either side of the OB frame (for those who don't know, the waves from the front and rear wrap around the frame and meet in the middle of each side. Being in opposite phase, their combined output is zero---the two cancel each other). The result is that the sub---producing no output in the left-to-right plane, typically the room's width---does not energize the room's eigenmodes in that room dimension. Less "room boom"! 

Secondly, sealed and ported subs "pressurize" a room; the sub enclosure creates a separation between the interior of the enclosure and the air in the room in which it resides. When the woofer moves outward (in response to a positive signal), the air pressure in the room is increased (compressed); when the woofer moves inward (a negative signal, of course), the room's air pressure is deceased.

OB subs, in contrast, do NOT pressurize a room. The air on both the front and rear of the OB frame is vibrated by the woofer, but the room's air pressure is neither increased nor decreased. How could it be? The air pressure is moved around within the room, but that's all.

Some people like the sound/feeling of the pressurization of the room (Rythmik's Brian Ding, apparently). An OB in the front of the room with a sealed in the rear produces a compromise between the two---the lean/"taut" sound of the OB (optimal for blending with planar loudspeakers), the weight of the sealed.