Which subwoofer?


I have a small room (10’x14’) and am wondering if a subwoofer would help. If so, which one?

I have Martin Logan electrostatic speakers with  8” powered 200 watt woofers and 8” passive radiators.  The bass is articulate, but not very deep. I am wondering if I could get more bass volume and depth without loosing detail with an additional subwoofer?
I have tried an 8” Velodyne, but could never integrate it with the Martin Logans so I sold it. 

The Martin Logans are powered by a 200 watt McIntosh receiver. 
Any thoughts?


kenrus
@oldhvymec
Not familiar with what VMPSs bass is. I believe you are also into DIY OB speakers. I'm also running an active system, so no passive xo parts between amp and corresponding driver. I couldn't be happier. Currently a 4-way active stereo system...although I smell bdp24 comments might be leading me to a 5-way ;-)
+1 to @audiorusty on comments about JL Audio "e" series (I have an e110--superb sub for limited space) and separate crossover.

My previous sub, though wonderful sounding (SVS SB-1000) has a rather non-transparent, poor-sounding low-pass output crossover. Instead I got a very good quality Marchand electronic crossover and no longer relied on the sub's crossover. Big improvement, plus the fact is relatively few subs even have a low pass output (RCA pair), much less a good sounding one.

As it happens, my e110 is one such sub. But I found it more convenient to continue using the external crossover than the JLA's crossover output, due to a pesky ground loop.

If you don't happen to have an integrated or receiver w/quality filtered outputs for sub + mains, an external crossover is the way to go. 
@lewinskih01: Your question has me confused. After stating "So he's using F12's up to 40Hz", you then ask "Do you happen to know how high he crosses over to the F12G's?" Aren't those the same? Or am I not seeing what you're asking?

You're not differentiating between F12 and F12G, are you? The "G" designation is used in reference to GR Research, the only difference between the two models being the use of a paper cone woofer in the F12G, an aluminum in the F12. Danny prefers paper cone woofers, Rythmik's Brian Ding metal.

Danny uses the OB sub from whatever frequency is required by the loudspeaker it is used with (up to 300Hz), down to as low as it will play, which is into the teens (below 20Hz). In other words, with a low-pass filter on the sub but no high pass. When he adds a pair of F12's, he still uses the OB sub full range, without rolling off the bottom end to "make room" for the F12's.

Le me reiterate that the 40Hz figure I mentioned is the frequency I believe Danny uses the F12 up to when coupled with the OB. I may be mistaken, it could be somewhat higher, though certainly not above 80Hz.  
Perhaps a bit messier than integrated, I run two Scaena 18" subs with a pair of Crown 1502 amps and an old Maxdrive 3.4 pc. As was noted eariler, it is the DSP that is the magic sauce though.
My listening room is fairly large (17X32) and they fill the low end perfectly.