Marty Stuart on Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers:


"I’ve never made any bones about it. I think Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers were the greatest Rock & Roll Band the United States Of America has ever produced."

Wow. Better than The Hawks/The Band (though composed of only one American and four Canadians, I consider the U.S.A. responsible for their formation)? Better than NRBQ, and The Byrds? And Los Lobos? As I consider Marty and his band The Fabulous Superlatives the current best band in the world, his opinions carry a lot of weight with me.

Okay, maybe I’ve been wrong about TP & TH. ;-)
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Regarding TP & THB being lightweights, I’m not about to go down this rabbit hole. I love them, I love ABB, I love SStills. You can’t argue with success.

Some people point out the simplicity of Tom’s songs as a negative. I feel that he was a master at this and that in of itself is a great tribute

@slaw:

"You can’t argue with success"

History is littered with examples of amazing artists in many genres/media, who never achieved fame/fortune and many examples of hacks whose popularity and wealth far outweighed their artistic abilities. 

A lot of my favorite music makers never achieved (or if current have yet to achieve) mass popularity, instead remaining on the cult level. Some of them prefer it that way (or at least claim to ;-), and many realistically shouldn’t have expected or anticipated anything more.

One benefit of not becoming huge is that it may result in a longer career---Richard Thompson, for example. Those who rise quickly many times also disappear just as quickly. Serious artists just want to spend their lives doing what they love; not becoming huge stars known to a massive audience, but being life-long professional musicians, singers, and/or songwriters. Many do it on a semi-poverty level, barely supporting themselves, if that. Here’s a somewhat unknown secret in the music business: many musicians---even those somewhat well known---rely on a significant other (a girlfriend, most commonly) for financial support. They have grown up doing nothing but making music, and have no other job skills. They will tell you: "I make music not because I want to (though they of course do), but because I have to." It’s a hunger as primal as food and sex.

But I have long agreed with @slaws sentiment: You can’t argue with success. They’re doing something right ;-) . That level of popularity is sometimes achieved by pandering to the lowest common denominator, as do crass politicians (tell ’em what they want to hear.). I’m thinking of acts like Kiss. But those are usually mere entertainers, no one taking them seriously anyway. But there are many, many examples of great art and great success coming together in one place. There are those who like to keep their favorite artist(s) to themselves, which though I can understand is the exact opposite of myself. As ya’ll have come to know, I do everything I can to bring under-acknowledged ad/or appreciated artists to the attention of others. Many others here do the same.

Mass popularity sometimes comes from not just talent, but timing and good luck. In other cases it’s pure, hard work. There are cases of an artists toiling for years to a cult audience, then suddenly having a hit record---Bonnie Raitt, for example. When that happens, I always watch to see if that success results in a decrease in the quality of the work; the artist---having now tasted success and liking its flavour---decides to do whatever it takes to retain that popularity. When that happens, I just move on. There are plenty of others deserving my attention (and disposable income ;-) .
 Great thread, but as with all things subjective, there is no right answer. Always loved TP, saw live 4-5 times, including the Dylan tour. Seen NRBQ at least 50 times going back to early 70's to as recent as last year. In their prime years with Big Al, Terry, Joey and Tom, plus the Whole Wheat Horns, they were an incredible force ! As good a live show as Ive ever seen, and Ive seen a lot! I seem to have some things in common with stuartk: same age, still live next to Woodstock ( over 50 years) and vacation each year up near Brunswick ( Harpswell )
@bdp24:

"But there are many, many examples of great art and great success coming together in one place"

"Mass popularity sometimes comes from not just talent, but timing and good luck. In other cases it’s pure, hard work".

Of course. I never claimed, nor would I, that the above assertions are false. I'm of an artistic temperment myself; nothing you say about the realities of being an artist is news to me. 

But I continue to (strenuously) disagree that popularity is "proof" of artistic merit. There is simply far too much evidence to the contrary! 

It's entirely possible to be a great commercial success without delivering more than the sonic equivalent of fast food. Popular music is full of examples of this. Are these people "doing something right" ?  Yeah, I guess, in terms of making money. Is it art? Hell no. Perhaps we can agree to disagree on this point. 

@winoguy17:

Harpswell in the summer is gorgeous-- lucky you!  

Have you been to Wolf's Neck Park on Flying Point Rd., between Brunswick and Freeport?  

My wife and I used to ride our bicycles out there from our home in Topsham. 

We lived there nine years and still miss it--what a special place.