A full range speaker?

NO one hears a sub signal NO ONE.. You feel it..

If anyone was to sit in a SUB only room, and then crank the sound, your bones would fall apart.. Just that simple..

On a hydroelectric dam face the turbine rooms, limit the exposure to ALL people.  Same issue in engine rooms on transport ships..

You have to be VERY careful with exposure to low LOUD harmonics.

I read earlier in the thread 15 hz.. LOL. A 32 foot pipe will hit 16 hz in a TUNED chapel/Cathedral ONLY.  Helmholtz tech is used to control and obtain it.. It doesn't just happen in nature..

A VERY well thought out room is the only way to get even close to 20 hz.  NASA's Langley Research Center has purchased two Larger VMPS Subwoofers as a source of 118+ dB, 20 Hz tone bursts. The Larger Subwoofer was the only commercially available system capable at that time.

Nearfield testing can go lower, add a room in the mix, it literally has to be built to work.. 

FEW people could even put up with VIBS like 15-25hz.. Unless you're already NUTS..

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I read earlier, "Whoever said that there's just not that much musical info below 40 Hz was absolutely wack."

"Also recall that "20 Hz" does Not represent the "lowest sound we can hear"

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I'm going to leave the statements above, but I would recommend a little education.. HEARING and SUB in the same sentence. Surely you jest!!

I want to go to my first trade show.   I want to hear this to believe it.  I have been under the opinion to not even try FR. Some of the full rangers have separate cabinets. Maybe you can spend enough.  My subs go to 30.  I can hear 20 Hz test tone but has no impact due to roll off.  My speakers go to 35 and sound better with subs.  Subs add the finishing touch.  Granted not 5 figure speakers.

Even if a speaker is "full range" most rooms cannot accommodate "full range".  Getcher full range by going to a live concert!

@oldhvymec

Of course you are mostly right, but why be so confrontational? People don’t listen when you do that, and if you have info people should know, you frustrate them and yourself by not conveying it in a pleasant manner.

I can hear 16hz. My subs can’t play that frequency in a musical context, but they can make that tone as a singular function. Great speakers are made to reproduce sound as recorded and experienced, so they are reproduction devices; and designers that care expect their clients to care as well, so assume those who purchase their product will attempt to provide an environment conducive to them functioning properly. Let us assume that each of us is making their best effort to do that.

I'm retired, so limit my spending cause I hope it's a long ways till I'm dead, and so may need a spare $20k here and there for those unforeseen emergencies that happen to old people who's parents were so thoughtless as to have not made themselves wealthy so I could have money to burn. I envy those who's parents were.

Budget wise I can have a $50k system or a $50k room to listen to it, but not both, so I, like all of us, have to determine my best options, and build my system according to a plan. I think we should all be reasonable and assume we are all like minded in that, and be courteous to one and other in that regard; there is something like that in the forum guidelines.

Several people have mentioned how few notes actually are played in a piece of music below 32hz, and as someone who listens to just about everything, I would have to agree with them that is a good standard to be considered full range.  But a Klipsh Heresy only goes down to about 48hz, but does so brilliantly as the woofer goes up to 400hz, that gives it good dynamic range balance, and is that speakers best attribute. (Please, no corrections, those figures are approx off the top of my head, and those are not the point I'm making about that speaker.)

So, that being said, what is your opinion on what defines a full range speaker, hz wise? What is the limit at which you would say, "That's required for my average listening needs, and after that I will need a sub?

@daledeee1

An excellent response!

Exactly on point to the question I thought I was asking. Something I can enter into a spread sheet.