A full range speaker?

I want to go to my first trade show.   I want to hear this to believe it.  I have been under the opinion to not even try FR. Some of the full rangers have separate cabinets. Maybe you can spend enough.  My subs go to 30.  I can hear 20 Hz test tone but has no impact due to roll off.  My speakers go to 35 and sound better with subs.  Subs add the finishing touch.  Granted not 5 figure speakers.

Even if a speaker is "full range" most rooms cannot accommodate "full range".  Getcher full range by going to a live concert!

@oldhvymec

Of course you are mostly right, but why be so confrontational? People don’t listen when you do that, and if you have info people should know, you frustrate them and yourself by not conveying it in a pleasant manner.

I can hear 16hz. My subs can’t play that frequency in a musical context, but they can make that tone as a singular function. Great speakers are made to reproduce sound as recorded and experienced, so they are reproduction devices; and designers that care expect their clients to care as well, so assume those who purchase their product will attempt to provide an environment conducive to them functioning properly. Let us assume that each of us is making their best effort to do that.

I'm retired, so limit my spending cause I hope it's a long ways till I'm dead, and so may need a spare $20k here and there for those unforeseen emergencies that happen to old people who's parents were so thoughtless as to have not made themselves wealthy so I could have money to burn. I envy those who's parents were.

Budget wise I can have a $50k system or a $50k room to listen to it, but not both, so I, like all of us, have to determine my best options, and build my system according to a plan. I think we should all be reasonable and assume we are all like minded in that, and be courteous to one and other in that regard; there is something like that in the forum guidelines.

Several people have mentioned how few notes actually are played in a piece of music below 32hz, and as someone who listens to just about everything, I would have to agree with them that is a good standard to be considered full range.  But a Klipsh Heresy only goes down to about 48hz, but does so brilliantly as the woofer goes up to 400hz, that gives it good dynamic range balance, and is that speakers best attribute. (Please, no corrections, those figures are approx off the top of my head, and those are not the point I'm making about that speaker.)

So, that being said, what is your opinion on what defines a full range speaker, hz wise? What is the limit at which you would say, "That's required for my average listening needs, and after that I will need a sub?

@daledeee1

An excellent response!

Exactly on point to the question I thought I was asking. Something I can enter into a spread sheet.

@ivan_nosnibor

I agree that a balance should be struck between the room and the system. Most people don’t leave enough room in their budget for the room adjustments.

But those can be had in various manners, some even spouse friendly. Bookshelves with books in them are as effective as a custom made sound diffusion panel that applies to a wall. Same with fiber arts, which when you think about it makes more sense since those can be an investment; oriental rugs, tapestries and whatnot.

What I wonder about is why people will buy $1,000 worth of sound treatment items, but not use the same thing the Met uses; heavy velvet drapes. Put those over your windows and you are a long way towards the finishing line. Cover your back wall with them and eliminate almost all standing waves. Heck, even lined linen will do a remarkably good job. I use all three, and it makes my wife happy and it fixes my room. 
But I would like to see an irregular sheet size panel for ceilings produced at no more than 4-6” tall that tastefully could be applied to the entire ceiling as an architectural enhancement, and give me the feeling of a 16’ ceiling. 
Enough digression.