Horn speakers , high efficiency but not “shouty”


I am interested in a high efficiency horn with SET AMPS, in a 12 ft by 18 ft room. 9 ft ceiling .
I have narrowed my choices down to Charney audio Excalibur http://charneyaudio.com/the-companion-excalibur.html
and rethm maarga v2
https://www.google.com/amp/s/audiobacon.net/2019/04/18/rethm-maarga-v2-loudspeakers-listening-sessio...
would appreciate input from any one who has heard the above speakers or someone who has a similar system . 
listening choices are vocal music , no classical music.
Very rarely might want my system to play loud party music .(extremely rare ) does not have to play it like solid state system. Thanks in advance 


newtoncr
Apparently not the tippy top yet, or something to that effect :)


well if we specifically define non shouty horns as ’tippy top’ then i suppose you are correct

over the years i have heard avantgarde duos/trios, sadurnis, klipschorns and cornwalls, tune audio animas, cessaros ... maybe none designed properly or were set up correctly

i have not heard western electric theater horns in a domesticated environment though...



@jjss49 I've found that you have to be careful with the amp that you use on a horn. It must have a clean first watt! If it has distortion issues like higher ordered harmonic generation (a problem with many solid state amps) you can certainly wind up with shouty (although it really won't matter the speaker). A good horn is a very revealing device and you do have to have your ducks in a row to get the best out of them. But OTOH that can be quite rewarding.


And to be clear some horns do have problems! For example the TAD machined wood horns have an artifact caused by an error in the throat design- its got an unpleasant peak at the bottom of its response. But with a bit of careful computer simulation I know of a modified version of that horn (Classic Audio Loudspeakers) that does not have that artifact and so is very smooth and relaxed, yet very fast and detailed. When you have those qualities together that's when you are making progress as they point to low distortion.
Speakerlab 7's - 12", 10", 15" horn and 7" horn. Both horns are plastic. No "bite"! SQ beats any Heresy and Cornwall. Bass goes down below 40 hz. I bought mine from Habitat for $100 + $50 delivery. I can live with the flat black white speckle finish!
One of my relatives is an experienced audiophile in the Midwest and he has one of the massive Klipsch horn speakers.  The sound is super impressive and alive sounding.  He uses very expensive Japanese mono tube amps.  I think Shindo or Wavac.  Like fifteen or twenty grand a set.  It is really a wave of sound coming at you head to toe.  To me it is very exciting but maybe a little exhausting if it is a long listen.
No proper horn is shouty. Cheap undersized poorly designed horns over a ported box can have issues since midrange is so much more efficient most compromised to make them smaller cheaper. A proper horn is fully front horn loaded to at least 100hz not many like this exist that audiophiles would buy so they opt for small poorly designed horns then go online saying that all horns shout or some such BS.

Indeed; all things more or less equal the bigger the midrange horn the less it sounds like a horn (and almost akin to a large panel speaker), although in the lowest octaves horn size - i.e.: length, overall volume and proper/corresponding mouth area - mainly dictates frequency extension and SPL, and so is set according to the desired parameters here. That is to say: in the bass department there's no cheating out with bass horns with regard to the size required in relation to extension (and SPL) needed, although variants of bass horns, like tapped horns, can further maximize the output for a given volume/horn path length in summing the output at the mouth of both the front and back wave of the driver, where a front loaded horn can only take advantage of the driver's front wave.

What's missed with smaller midrange horns more technically is dispersion control in the lower end of their frequency range. Some of them may be able to be high-passed at and sound rather well down to ~500Hz, but dispersion control has flown out the window an octave or more above. Maintaining dispersive pattern (preferably similar to the driver segment covering the range below it) and control at the cross-over that's offered with the big midrange horns isn't trivial sonically speaking. As proposed by you a proper designed and sized midrange horn doesn't sound shouty, as in at all, or what people typically associate with bad sounding horns. Smaller midrange horns, even though they're well designed, generally sound more aimed-at-the-listener, less enveloping and more agitated vs. a larger midrange horn covering the same frequency span, that by comparison sounds more relaxed, physically realistic, dynamic and with a better fill of the sound throughout the listening room. The smaller horn may impress at first with its "lively" imprinting, but it really stands more in the way of the music and ultimately can't hold a candle next to their larger, well designed brethren.