New member, first post, and newbie in terms of diving into the world of nice things. This world is insane! I've already been spiraling for a few months researching what to buy, AB'ing countless speakers and amps. I now own a McIntosh MA9000 that's driving my new Focal Sopra N2s via Kimber 12VS. My "dilemma" is with the lack of BASS. I demoed the N2s, so I know it's possible, but absent in my home. I have to use the tone controls (this is where you tear me apart) to bump the low end. I do not know if it's my room, lack of bass traps, or equipment, but I'm failing to get down a little lower without tone adjustments. I stream Tidal Masters to my wired Bluesound NODE 2i (optical to the MA9000 dac). My room is 11'x20.5' with a low, 7.5' ceiling. I have tried as many speaker positions as possible with little change. I already know I need to eliminate room echo in the center of the room and have been researching various acoustic treatments. I feel like I'm off to a good start, but now stuck, not totally satisfied. Yes, it's the best I've ever owned and mind-blowing amazing, emotional, etc, but just short of perfect for me. In tracks where I expect a punch, I get an unmoving transition... Can I get "there" with different wire? Should I consider a sub? Why do folks on this site use two subs? Do I need to hire someone to properly sound-treat the room? Is my room a lost cause for what I own? Reaching out because I'm stuck, afraid to waste money chasing dead ends. My budget is thin after the McIntosh and Focals. Any help would be so appreciated! I hope to learn, grow and pay it forward some day. Thank you.
You're getting a lot of good info here. If they haven't broken in yet, it will take some time to develop. My Sopra 2's have finally locked in. Positioning is important too and I find myself repositioning them every so often to check myself as well as make sure I'm optimizing them.
Something to think about. You said you demoed the Sopra’s. What’s different with your setup and the setup where you demoed them? Placement? isolation feet, did the use the spikes that came with the speakers or someone’s else’s? Where was all the furniture in the room? What music did they play and what streamer did they use.
There's probably a place in your room where the bass will be fall into line. Exploit the room.
I've had similar problems. A rough formula for me was the 1/5th rule. If you start there, you can make adjustments over time and start to lock the speaker location.
With regard to speaker position, consider this to be the vertical centerline of the tweeter at the front baffle. Divide the room in 5ths. Place speakers 1/5th from backwall and side walls.
Also eliminate any hard and glossy elements in the room. If you have framed pictures with glazing move those to another room. If you have hardwood floors, thick Persian rugs with requisite thick felt under pad really helps. A large rug under the speakers really helps.
Work on first reflections first...this is what creates the smear that kills focus and sharpness of the sonic image.
I am blown away by the number of responses. THANK YOU, everyone for your thoughtful input. You have given me a number of things to ponder and try. More detail and updates:
Only the speaker and power cables are new. The MA9000 was a store demo and was told might be "broken in". The Sopras are gently used and I'm not sure if they have enough hours or were even played at volume to be broken-in.
I read bass from towers can cancel each other out and bass traps can solve for such. It's why I mentioned possible trying traps. Based on your feedback, I now may only need them if I go the subs route.
The only wall backing the Sopras is not flat. There is a 6.5" offset, which isn't on center. It is just over 6' from the left side. So if the Sopras are parallel, the left one will have an extra 6.5" behind it. The ocd in me is really bothered by this. I would love to know why it exists / was built this way!
I know there is nothing wrong with tone controls but I "feel" like spending this kind of money should grant you results that do not need tone assistance. Feels wrong writing this, but I want to be able to demo this system to my cousin and brother without having them comment on the fact I need to use them, because they will!
My VDI rack arrived yesterday and I can't way to set it up. Going to do so first before any suggested testing. :)
What is my "virtual system"? Happy to do so if I can get some guidance?
I did not hear the Sopras with the Mc, a risk, I know, but I did read reviews with the same MA9000 and Sorpras as well as other media that reported Mc and N2s were a good match. So far I am blown-away save for that elusive low end that led to this post.
This will not be my last home. My next will either be built to suit or will have an "ideal" room for my music.
My to-do list, in order, AND I am not going to stack advice. I plan on trying each from my current baseline settings and with the tone controls off on the Mc.
@birdfan Set my NODE to subwoofer mode, which I did but cannot yet test the result. This setting reveals a crossover slider with no value but appears to be 1/4 up from 40Hz to a max of 200Hz
I have seen my Mc display 96kHz(?... it was 96 something...) from my NODE playing Tidal masters, but no better. Should I return it? What values should I see displayed?
@erik_squires \Play the same track from the 8, 4 and 2omh taps. Can't wait to try this.
@ozzy and @mtrot Move the Sopras 1' from the back wall. This is appealing as this room needs to be functional for things other than listening so it would be ideal if I don't have to place them well into the space.
@ozzy and @mtrot Move the Sopras 1/3 into the room ~7'. Part of me hopes this does not work. My wife will strangle me. Yet, if it works it will be terrific data.
@onhwy61 and @speakermaster Will look into an SPL meter / software, etc. My brother works for a commercial AV company and may have access to a good one.
@james633 very helpful if I go the sub route.
Don't know why I could not @ some of you, but again, thank you everyone for your responses! I have a fun afternoon ahead of me. I will report back on each experiment in a detailed summary.
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