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A full range speaker?

Many claim to be, but how many can handle a full orchestra’s range?

That range is from 26hz to around 12khz including harmonics, but the speakers that can go that low are few and far between. That is a shame, since the grand piano, one of the center points of many orchestral and symphonic performances, needs that lower range to produce a low A fully, however little that key is used.

I used to think it was 32hz, which would handle a Hammond B-3’s full keyboard, so cover most of the musical instruments range, but since having subs have realized how much I am missing without those going down to 25hz with no db’s down.

What would you set as the lower limit of music reproduction for a speaker to be called full range?

 I’m asking you to consider that point where that measurement is -0db’s, which is always different from published spec's.
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mozartfan
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OK vid is loading on YT, Here are a  few things about upcomming NEW Video of the Frankensteins. 
The Frankies beat out Wilson and Vandersteen in some respects. 
The low bass on the Vandersteens and especially the Wilson's have a  superior punch to drum sets. over the Seas Magnesium mids.
But having owned paper woofers in the past,, my goal is to be far away from anything paper composite. 
Paper is not as clean, clear in the upper bas/low mids vs the Magnesium  cones.
There is a trade off, as in everything audio. 
We each have to pick the components that work best for our individual preferences, even as peculiar as they may seem to other audiophiles.

Grading the Frankensteins, i have no complaints, 
My year long  struggle to attain a  world class speaker has been a  success, but at a  price,,,, these experiements do not come free.. 
mozartfan
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1) Pulled out the white stuffing from front port hole where Millennium used to sit = adds bass
2) took out a 2.2 uf in the bass xover = mushy bass, now gone, clean, clear
3) swapped the Mundorf Supreme Silver OIl 2.2 for a Mundorf SESGO 2.2 on the paper tweet,,= nice gain,,,

All in all, this lil Frankenstein has bass./mids/highs, clean, very low distortion/coloration in upper bass/low mids.
= Fatigue Free

I’d say this is a High Fidelity speaker.
Not every/just any speaker can claim High Fidelity Status.
Sure the Wilson’s has incredible highs, deep bass. But how are the upper bass/low mid fq voicing???
Here’s where the music gets tough.
You see, the Vandersteens/ Wilson;’s  beats  out the  Frankensteins  on the low bass register, but when we come to the super critical upper bass.low mids,,ahhhh,. now here is where things can get all muddy, sloppy.

The mid cone material determines  the fatigue factor. 
I can listen to these  Seas all day long with not even a  pinch of fatigue  overtaking the session. It is non-existent for all forms of jazz. . 
Except in some full orch symphony there is some stress from the lil DavidLouis. 

The paper tweet will stand up to any dome tweeter, under  $200.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PhXOCibpz4
mozartfan
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Gut feeling says the Nextel mids from Seas, give more tighter punch in low bass,  vs the softer low bass of the Magnesium.
But I can feel that paper resonance in the Nextel coated paper woofer, vs the the cleaner,  neutral upper bass/low mids in the magnesium. Trade off once again.
I'll take the clearer/more sweet, less warm Magnesium over the Nextel.s

I think Seas made the Nextel to compete with Scanspeaks superior low bass. Scans are paper composite mids. 
I just can not deal with that overly warm voicing of the upperbass/low mids, which even a  Nextel coating can not mask over.
As far as the Cresendo, its 92db.
I'd rather think the T35002 with 95 db, and $100 less per tweet, is a  better bang.
Hard to say w/o comparing side by side. 
T35005 goes down to ~~~~~1500hz~~~~ wow, don't see that low  very often
The Cresendo's recommended xover is 2khz.
hummm, see  my hunch is right, T35002 95db, Neodymium magnet, x's 1500hz.
WinWinWin

So I'd go Graphene W22/T35002
vs this Bifrost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgaUQO4lvII&t=10s

https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/seas-soft-dome-tweeters/seas-excel-t35c-002-35mm-mid-tweeter/

Cost about the same, 
But better bang IMHO


mozartfan
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IMHO
Best midwoofer for the BuckBang
WOW factor high.
Dont come cheap, thats for sure, = bank busters.
Worth every cent you pay. High tech will cost ya.

https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/seas-excel-w22nx001-graph-e0077-8-graphene-co...
mozartfan
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Scratch the T35C002
back to Cresendo.
Yeah I know low is 2K,
W22 Graph high 2k.
Gonna have to xoss at 2khz.
The issue I have with the T35C002, is its too sensitive and has too much gain in the upper register.
The Cresendo will give more **body* to the lower register and will not extend as high. Its a beefier tweeter.
I found the T35C002 has too much sizzle on top end.

Oh yes, I love this Cresendo graph at 2khz, 
~~~90db sens~~~~ 
wowow, thats  super. This is one heck of a  tweeter, 

Cresendo Magnet weight 53 grams vs T35C002 @ 35 grams. 
Cresendo Bestbang tweet,

https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/seas-soft-dome-tweeters/seas-excel-t29cf-002-e0040-crescendo-f...
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