Upper Level Vintage DD Strenghts and Weaknesses


All of these tables have been discussed in some form or another here over the years. I have read quite a few threads on them, but its a bit difficult to nail this point down.

Basically I am looking for a non-suspended table to install a Dynavector DV505 arm on, and these tables can fit the bill.

The most widely available is a Denon DP 75 or DP 80 in a Denon plinth, and they are perhaps the most affordable also. Are there any of their plinths that are desirable, or are they just a veneered stack of MDF or plywood?

While more expensive I can find a Sony TTS8000 in a Resinamic plinth although shipping from HK is expensive. There is one thread I came across here where a member who restores tables says two of the three TTS8000 he has done had play in the spindle assembly which looked to be wear in the brass bushings of the motor. That does make me pause in concern.

The JVC TT101 is not only difficult to find, its apparently a bit of a bear to get serviced, so its not high on the list.

The Technics SP 10 MK II I have owned, and its a nice table but to be honest I had a Denon DP75 that I felt actually sounded better. Also the models that are out there are either abused or have a premium price tag attached to them. Also I don’t need instant torque, and I think the bi-servo designs might offer better speed control.

As I write this the Denon and Sony seem to be at the top of the list, unless there is another I should be looking at.
neonknight
Search engines are weird, and sometimes we miss information or posts with them. I happened to find this post when using my phone and when using my computer it never comes up in a search. But there is a bit of information that is interesting. I have owned the A90 and there are certain times when listening to acoustic music on this MC200 that I hear a familial sound, and I came up with that observation on my own. So it is interesting to read this post which gives some context on why they sound similar. With that being said, there is no way I am saying this cartridge is an equivalent of an A90.

The following post was from a thread in Vinyl Engine:


"a while ago I bought a needle-less Ortofon MC-200 in order to get it re-tipped.
Unfortunately, one channel was dead. So this one was for the bin.

I decided to dismantle it in order to have a look at the interior of the generator.
What I found there in terms of magnets, pole pieces and needle suspension,
shows - construction wise - a strong resemblance with the visible part of the
the Ortofon A90’s generator.

Ortofon may have stopped the MC-100 / MC-200 line, but it’s generater lives
in the current Cadenza series. (and others, like the BACH series)"

This is the second time I have owned this cartridge, and the first time was pleasant but no wow factor. This time around the phono stage is better suited in dealing with this very low output voltage. When designed I am sure this cartridge was intended to be used with an Ortofon SUT, and perhaps in the future I will acquire one. I am not a huge fan of SUTs and to be honest I typically like the sound I get from a high performance phono stage that can handle low output MC, but the .09 mV is difficult to deal with in any respect.

At the moment its mounted on a Dynavector DV505 arm and LP Gear Zupreme head shell. Its not a high compliance design, with a compliance of 13 dyne but only a recommended tracking force of 1.5 grams. The combination of arm and cartridge works, and while I bought this to be used for casual listening I am pretty tickled that I can get such good sound out of an inexpensive cartridge. With acoustic music it is very realistic, so good that I really cannot find any significant faults, especially on piano music. With pop and rock music it can be a bit too honest, in that the sound can be a touch hard sounding. Not aggressive, or having the top end elevated, but rather very precise and these recordings sound like they could use a bit of warmth, perhaps the right term is a touch sterile. I was listening to 45 RPM club extended mixes last night, and found that to be the case with tracks from Soft Cell, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Cameo and so forth. Its like the curtain is pulled back and you hear what the mix really sounds like, and there are elements of the song that are exposed and cannot be hidden. On other albums I have the top end can be quite distant, its really recording dependent, so its not an inherent rising top end characteristic of the cartridge. For instance I have an album on from Chic this morning, and the sound is much more rounded and warm, so it really comes down to the mixes.

This is an interesting cartridge. I will use it as my casual one, and its a great one for this task. Truth is its probably better than that role, but I am lucky to be able to use one for a daily driver. I think I will do a bit of research and see which Ortofon SUT will work the best with this cartridge and give it a shot.
@neonknight  
I have DP80 with DK100 and DA401 arm with DL303. I use it with HA1000. I like it very much, and I decided to have DK2300 and DP75 from Japan. I will use DA309 and DL103R. I still need to get another arm. Maybe I will get DA307. I will use LoMC Ortofon cartridge with DA307.  With all, it will cost me around $1200 without cartridges. 
@ihcho 
That Denon HA1000 head amp is pretty grainy and not particularly transparent, you should probably upgrade that before you spend more on another arm or cartridge, if you want best value upgrade.
I got HA1000 from an original owner who had kept it in mint condition, and actually it sounds pretty good.
I have Allnic H1202 and Live! MC-10 SUT, and yes, indeed they sound better than HA1000, but not day and night difference on my system. Other cartridges I use are AT150mlx, Ortofon MC20 super, SPUs, and super low output Ortofon MC cartridges. 
Currently, H1202 is used with MC20 super and Live! MC-10 is used with SPU cartridges on Garrard 301 with two arms. I enjoy the difference of sounds from different cartridges/tonearms/turntables, and MC SUT and head amps.
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