Audiophile Loudness Wars—Too Much again!?


Obviously a huge chunk of popular western music has been involved in the loudness wars of the recording industry. But do we now have Hifi loudness wars? Sometimes I look at or try out new pieces, and think audio designers are putting too much gain in our preamps, amps, and DACs. Or am I off here? You won’t hurt my feelings.
I’m getting a sense that lots of gear falls over the side of center towards higher gain.

Hey, it happens to me! You can’t edit titles. It’s supposed to be “too much gain”.
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Audiophile Loudness Wars—Too Much again!?

Best to remedy this is to use a dac that has inbuilt (digital domain at or above 75% level) gain control if you have one. If used below 75% volume you run the risk of "bit stripping" detail away.

And if your dac has no volume control, nothing worse for signal to noise ratio and final distortion, than heavily knocking back the "dacs output level" with an active pre because the active preamp or amp has too much gain

That’s why passive pre’s are the best and least colored, great if impedance matching between input to output is observed to be no less than 1:10 ratio.
And also active preamps ones Schiit make are very little gain, and also can be switched to passive.

Cheers George
Easy to fix: make or purchase an in-line variable audio attenuator; and set to desired level of attenuation. 
simple answer: turn down the volume. Does the same thing and easier than any of the methods described above - they are ALL resistive divider networks. Admittedly, the volume may track poorly at low volumes and most continuous volume controls are more colored than a pair of resistors (which is why i have not used them for new designs or in my own systems in years).
Now, on to your question; as always, "yes and no". :-)


yes, many components, notably DACs, put out a nominal voltage that is WAY above the unofficial "standard" of ~ 1Vrms line level at max volume. The new normal seems to be 2V rms. The worst offender i have seen is Theta (at least legacy Theta) at about 8V rms. This is enough to seriously over-drive the inputs of many pre-amps.

Why is this done?   Well, because enough people think the idea of "passive pre-amps with simply a passive volume control, is a good idea. So they give them lost of gain to play with. What do you know, the Theta DS-Pro DAC was derived form the earlier DS-Pre DAC/preamp. And in the electronics, apparently nothing changed.


I see the allure of a hgih quality passive attenuator in place of an amp; but only if you have the knowledge to ensure good impedance matching. These "DACs with power amps built in" solve that in spades.

But, in the end, you can just pad it down with the volume control. Its just a resistive divider, just like a gain attenuator would be (with a few caveats there for methods that IMO are worse yet).

Preamps i have designed, assuming the producers leave them mostly alone, have about 6-9 dB of gain typically.

G