Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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Tom

Your information about erse coils is depressing and frustrating but on their website they state they are using CDA 101
and Solen states they are using ≥ 99.99 % Purity Annealed Copper. 

But so far these are the purest copper coils I can find ,

strange how Capacitors and wires are improving but not coils 

other than maybe foil coils over wire ones .

Rob

I purchased Solen Litz inductors for my new speaker rebuild..both 8 gauge 7 strand on the woofer
49 strand on the tweeter.
New term for me is linear inductance. Value of inductance over a much wider bandwidth than virtually any other inductor type either solid 8 gauge or 10 gauge ribbon this according to Chris at Solen. The linear bandwidth of the 49 strand for the Via Wave SRT ribbon tweeter is 35k 7 times that of the 7strand for the woofer. And the copper purity is 5 9's..The inductors are being cryo'd today when finished I will heat treat at low temp and then seal with a new to me paint with no metal but with much limestone some clay and a small amount of carbon black. Report later. Tom


In case anyone is interest, today TMR has listed a pair of CS 2.2 in dark cherry for $1099 + $179 for shipping ... serial#  7697; 7698 ... condition reported as 7 out of 10.  
https://tmraudio.com/speakers/floorstanding-speakers/thiel-cs2-2-floorstanding-speakers-cs2-2-dark-c...

Rob - this wire issue deserves more fleshing out.
CDA101 is 99.999%CDA102 is 99.99%CDA110 is 99.9%There are other requirements for each gradeAnnealed Copper is less conductive than these grades, which are all Electrolytic Tough Pitch-at the pinnacle of conductivity for hardness.
Regarding ERSE's CDA101. As you know, I've been playing detective to study what would have been obvious at Thiel Audio, which I left in 1995. I have good inside sources, most of whom either never knew, don't remember or don't have access to relevant records.

What I know: AcoustaCoil (later absorbed by ERSE) produced all our CDA101 coils since 1978. State of the art. When trying to get a definitive statement from them regarding their website claim of CDA101 - I didn't get a straight answer. I got diverted to Barbara in sales (who seems to run the show) who went to engineering who came back with the answer a couple weeks later of "ETP / CDA110-special. Now, let me float some conjectures.

ERSE along with ScanSpeak and most everyone else makes most of their world goods in China with FST being a prime source. My conjecture is that the Chinese wire plants are using CDA110-special and that is why the "answer" to my query came back that way. However, I also know that ERSE makes their custom coils for the American Market at their Cleveland plant. My conjecture is that those coils are indeed CDA101 as stated on their website and consistent with our long history with them.

I can't prove that and really don't have the will to drill down - there's only so much time. But for discussion, let's suppose that's the case.We know that the 3.7 XOs went to FST some time around #500 (no hard evidence yet.) We know the resistors and caps were CYC clones of Thiel's ERSE and Solen originals. We know that Jim "approved" them. We also know that direct comparison of those components in the 2.4 illustrated the original Thiel parts being "better", as discussed previously in this thread. We know the FST coils look decidedly inferior to ERSE coils. I have not yet made a direct sonic comparison. Beetlemania may have directly compared coils to coils - I don't remember.

We also know that all CS2.7s were made in Lexington with original parts including ERSE coils and resistors, Solen caps and Masonite boards. It is possible that the reported fluidity and grace of the 2.7 might be in part due to that factor of All Lexington build practice.

To the other point of foil and/or stranded - I have used some ERSE foil coils, but not directly compared to (known to be CDA101) ERSE coils in the 2.2. I have not used stranded. Regarding both foil and stranded, they make a difference in resistance and capacative reactance - so those changes would have to be compensated in the XO. I do not yet have the chops to make those compensations, so I haven't gone there in my development work.

That's about it for now. TT