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Nice link. I had forgotten about Joe's tube lore. Thanks for the reminder
Nice link. I had forgotten about Joe's tube lore. Thanks for the reminder
Vintage tubes - facts, science, technology & empirical evidence VS. marketing, myth & hype
Let me be, perhaps, a little clearer in explaining what I'm thinking. I think it takes years of experience to really know your way around vintage tubes. Without that experience we're relying on others to guide the way. Isn't that one of the purposes of this Forum? To share our experience? It is. My experience is, yes tubes do sound different. It should be obvious they are not all the same, if only for the simple fact sometimes one blows out while another one of the same type and brand and age runs for years. They all pass the same QA measurement tests so that should tell you all you need to know about the efficacy of measurements. This much is all obvious as can be and so it remains a mystery why anyone still wonders about such things. This does not mean there are no physical properties might that account for the superior performance of certain tubes. The most experienced and knowledgeable man I know on the subject, Raven Audio's Dave Thompson, told me he heard from an engineer who worked at the factory where some of his most cherished tubes were made that the equipment used then pulled a vacuum 20% greater than today. So there are reasons, and let me know the next time you see the inches of mercury vacuum stat on a tube. Even then I would have to say that is just one on a very long list of factors. Tubes are a connosseur's game. Reliable information is so hard to come by that I gave up years ago. Until learning about Raven and Dave. Now thanks to Dave I know whatever I buy will indeed be well worth the extra. Just last night I swapped out a TungSol and moved some of Dave's around to the rows he recommended, and immediately experienced extension, nuance, and real live emotion like it was a whole new amp. These are tubes collected from a lifetime of searching and comparing. This transforms tube rolling from a crapshoot to just about the easiest and most rewarding thing around. All you have to do is buy a Raven amp. The stock of these NOS wonders is limited, and when they are gone they are gone. He only sells within the Raven family. So there you go. |
Excellent post from @atmasphere. @markusthenaimnut, as you already mentioned, the following tube sellers effectively mitigate the risk of purchasing vintage tubes. They also will provide recommendations based on your component(s). They are worth repeating. Andy Bouwman - Vintage Tube Services: http://vintagetubeservices.com Brent Jesse Recording: https://www.audiotubes.com Upscale Audio (buy Kevin’s Stash grade): https://upscaleaudio.com/collections/vacuum-tubes I have used all the above and can recommend them without hesitation. I would avoid E-Bay sellers, unless you either know them through personal experience, or through a trusted referral. Other members often suggest: RAM tubes: http://www.tubeaudiostore.com |
@tvad and Ralph who actually engineers some of the finest tube gear on the planet, have it correct as do others who mention reputable experts who do also sell Tubes. Andy is a gem, have a look at his Arsenal of test equipment and his listening skills superb. Also consider the genius of Roger Modjeski ( rip i miss him ) and RAM tubes. One point being, there is more to nos and new tubes than just newly discovered Raven. For example the particular genius of Jim White of Aesthetix. While the use current production tubes with extra grading far and above final factory QC, they point customers to Vintage Tube for upgrade help. i could go on…. I helped build some of the most advanced and powerful tubes in orbit above earth, i can assure you it is a high precision business requiring very tight process control and quality ALL along the way. RAM tubes undergo some of the most rigorous testing, however lint in the tube ( contamination ) plagues many modern tubes. Scarcity is not diminishing returns Many designers ignore the RCA tube design manuals at peril Some designers and firms have a culture of designing for tube longevity two that instantly come to mind McIntosh ( under Gordon Gow ) and Music Reference. There are more. have fun, enjoy the journey….. |