Is the Manley Steelhead still relevant?


Looking for a state-of-the-art phono stage. Budget? $15K or less. After almost 20 years, is the Manley Steelhead still relevant? Or are there newer, better options?
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@drbond 

So, when you say the Manley linestage is just a "buffer", you mean that it's not amplifying the signal by adding gain, but just transmitting the signal unadulterated?

Yes.
The washed out sound at higher volume settings suggest the Manley is either unable to drive the Atmasphere power amp adequately, or the quality of the sound is deteriorating at higher volume settings due to the circuit topology in the Manley.

Adding an active line stage will fix that issue and may even benefit your other power amplifiers as well. I would encourage you to try some out if you can.

In terms of options Atmasphere preamps should work well and have balanced outputs as well as single ended to suit their amps.
Conrad Johnson linestages at the upper levels are excellent but only have single ended outputs available.
I would be wary of the Lamm preamps without trialling them becuase they tend to work best with their own gear - the LAMM phono/preamps have unusual gain structures and in real use tend to work best together.



@lewm
What fsonic and maybe Dover mentioned is another class of "linestage" that is completely passive

I did NOT discuss passaive linestages in my post, and do not like them, and they would be a waste of time in drbond's system.
How many times have I told you to read my posts more carefully.
I get sick and tired of you misinterprretting my posts. You are supposed to be a doctor - would you like me to post in Latin ??

My recommendation for drbond is clearly to add an ACTIVE line stage between the Manley and his power amps.
@dover 

Thanks for sharing your insight.  I didn't realize how much the input sensitivity of amplifiers influenced sonic behavior while using the Steelhead line stage as a buffer.

Regarding pre-amplifiers, would you suggest any other brands besides A-S or CJ, or are those as good as any? (As I noticed that you mentioned that you have an Air Tight in your system.). Is there something in particular that I need to look for in pre-amplifier specifications, such as gain, etc?  

Thanks!
@drbond 
Depends on your budget.
The reason I suggested the Atmasphere MP1 or MP3 is they are certain to have enough drive to match the the MA1's. I think you can get these with or without a phono included in the preamp.
The Conrad Johnson ET7 up to the Gatt have very good drive for insensitive amplifiers. A friend of mine has recently purchased the Conrad Johnson Gatt2 - it is stunning but of course it has a big price tag. It's a forever purchase.
Air Tight are also very good - the ATC2 has great drive and can be obtained at reasonable prices second hand due to being less well known.
Audio Research in general I find a little brash for my taste and I think the others offer better value.

How much do you want to spend ?
@dover 

My budget for a pre-amplifier could be $30k, if it was exceptionally better than one that could be obtained at $20k.  So, essentially, I don't want to spend $100k+, but it seems that many highly esteemed pre-amplifiers are selling for $10k-40k, which I suppose could be a reasonable range.  

I am not partial to any particular brand either:  perhaps the Atma-Sphere pre-amplifiers would suit all amplifiers the best due to its transparency, although maybe a Lamm pre-amplifier would be better suited for the M2.2 amplifiers.  Or perhaps there's another lesser known pre-amplifier that would suffice?

(I have Sound Lab speakers, and listen to purely classical and chamber music.)

Thanks.