Referent point


Look if we are going to get anywhere in this discussion on speakers,,,we've been at here now going on 20years +, We need to figure out how we are going to go forward into this 21st C, which now is 21 yrs and going.
Time to establsih some sort of reference posit, a  speaker that we  can all agree on which is neutral, efficient and worthy to be considered true high fidelity, Last qualification, is that any amp can drive the Speaker, From  Jadis JA 800 monos blaocsk a  4 chassis 800 lb amplifier to a  1 watt SET amp.
Sure I realize this is asking for the impossible, 
'But really its not.
There is such speakers.
These would be the wide bands.
You know the Fostex/Lowther you atried back in the day and found less than high fidelity.
Well we should not throw the babt out with the  bath water.
The wide bands were developed in Berlin and Chicago back in the 1920;s. and IMHO are the finest design in any speaker (exception are the horns).
We can not make the big horns as reference, as few of us here can afford the big guys, + many other issues which make  horns not a  practical reference point.\
The only speaker i know that can fill the parameters to be designated as The Reference Point, as wide bands.
All speakers  must be judged next to a  high tech wide band.
Wide bands will expose the glares and flaws in your speaker, which are completely hidden from your ears at the moment.
I mean if we are all seeking true high fidelity  its high time to face the facts of 
1) bigger is not better
2) throwing money at a  speaker will result in great sound
3) thinking outside the box is  the creative approach to discovering high fidelity.
4) a  lab name means nothing when heard next to a  high tech wide band.(We can lay this blame at Sterophiles feet)


mozartfan
Much so confusing.

I get the full range driver thing. I’ve built a LOT of them since the pandemic started. The right driver in the right enclosure driven by the right amp, can be magical with the right music. 
The most successful of the bunch was the Kirishima from the Spawn set of speakers designed by Scott Lindgren I built for a friend.

https://www.frugal-horn.com/spawn.html

Driver is a Fostex FE208Ez. Wonderful sounding speaker, especially mated w a EL84 amp in PP configuration.

Is it a reference speaker? No. Sonic signature is waaaaay to specific. Only thing it can be compared to are other full range drivers. Much like 2 way bookshelves should be compared to… 

Well, you get the picture.

And who is this mythical “tech” you speak of?

WB sonic signature is like getting a hit of Jamoca Almond Fudge ice cream while listening to a solo acoustic instrument..and then thinking, wow that would make a fantastic steak…..topping


MC (or Steve or whoever he is on some of these posts) has to justify a bad purchase, why else would anybody increasingly shrill with unscientific rhetoric about his purchases
Mozart Fan the best speaker tech starts with deceased, recycled butterfly wing cone, a 500 lb magnet, 40 inch diameter and bat wing phase plug for the ten inch vice koil.  Thanks kenjity