mozartfan, you must live in an alternative universe. I suggest you go find someone with a really excellent system and listen for a while to give you a reference to work from. Right now it appears as if you have no idea what you are talking about.
Referent point
Look if we are going to get anywhere in this discussion on speakers,,,we've been at here now going on 20years +, We need to figure out how we are going to go forward into this 21st C, which now is 21 yrs and going.
Time to establsih some sort of reference posit, a speaker that we can all agree on which is neutral, efficient and worthy to be considered true high fidelity, Last qualification, is that any amp can drive the Speaker, From Jadis JA 800 monos blaocsk a 4 chassis 800 lb amplifier to a 1 watt SET amp.
Sure I realize this is asking for the impossible,
'But really its not.
There is such speakers.
These would be the wide bands.
You know the Fostex/Lowther you atried back in the day and found less than high fidelity.
Well we should not throw the babt out with the bath water.
The wide bands were developed in Berlin and Chicago back in the 1920;s. and IMHO are the finest design in any speaker (exception are the horns).
We can not make the big horns as reference, as few of us here can afford the big guys, + many other issues which make horns not a practical reference point.\
The only speaker i know that can fill the parameters to be designated as The Reference Point, as wide bands.
All speakers must be judged next to a high tech wide band.
Wide bands will expose the glares and flaws in your speaker, which are completely hidden from your ears at the moment.
I mean if we are all seeking true high fidelity its high time to face the facts of
1) bigger is not better
2) throwing money at a speaker will result in great sound
3) thinking outside the box is the creative approach to discovering high fidelity.
4) a lab name means nothing when heard next to a high tech wide band.(We can lay this blame at Sterophiles feet)
Time to establsih some sort of reference posit, a speaker that we can all agree on which is neutral, efficient and worthy to be considered true high fidelity, Last qualification, is that any amp can drive the Speaker, From Jadis JA 800 monos blaocsk a 4 chassis 800 lb amplifier to a 1 watt SET amp.
Sure I realize this is asking for the impossible,
'But really its not.
There is such speakers.
These would be the wide bands.
You know the Fostex/Lowther you atried back in the day and found less than high fidelity.
Well we should not throw the babt out with the bath water.
The wide bands were developed in Berlin and Chicago back in the 1920;s. and IMHO are the finest design in any speaker (exception are the horns).
We can not make the big horns as reference, as few of us here can afford the big guys, + many other issues which make horns not a practical reference point.\
The only speaker i know that can fill the parameters to be designated as The Reference Point, as wide bands.
All speakers must be judged next to a high tech wide band.
Wide bands will expose the glares and flaws in your speaker, which are completely hidden from your ears at the moment.
I mean if we are all seeking true high fidelity its high time to face the facts of
1) bigger is not better
2) throwing money at a speaker will result in great sound
3) thinking outside the box is the creative approach to discovering high fidelity.
4) a lab name means nothing when heard next to a high tech wide band.(We can lay this blame at Sterophiles feet)
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Does reference mean the best you've heard or just a baseline to compare other speakers to?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reference defined as:: Complete full midrange, in all its charms and colors, nice gorgeous soundstage, zero fatigue, zero colotation, voice 100% accurate. All amps are acceptable , from 1 watt to 1k watts. Not aggressive. Musicality pure natural, clean, clear, **neutral* Seamless perfection. We are NOT looking for bass below 40-60hz, we are not looking for highs 12k-100k hz. 60 hz will be just fine. 12khz will be just fine. This is what defines a Reference Speaker. NO BLOATED SOUND, NO MUDDYINESS, allowed~~~~ *man how many speakers have I heard witha bloated, muddy soundstage,,I'd bea milliionaire for every speaker I've hard witha bloated midrange. Or eithera crippled midrange, like my Seas Thors. ~~~~~can Klipsche meets these requiremements~~~~~ Not asking for much, but these are the parameters which defibes our word usage of Reference Point. Dont get me wrong here My Seas Thors voice incredible life like vocals, deep 40 hz bass, nice highs...But at what cost... Next to a wide band, can't holda candle. WBer on 1 channel, Thors on the other... hahahahaha, what a joke Seas Thors, POS All xover box speakers suffer this disease in the midrange. |
ghdprentice692 posts09-17-2021 9:54amGreat idea of establishing a standard. However, I think this would only work for an individual or small group. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sensitivity sets apart xover box speakers from new high tech wide bands. Its all about sensitivity and perfection of midrange All box/xover speakers have serious issues in the most critical fq's. = Duds. as they make the amp to work over time vs WBer's where the music is gently coxaed from the amplifier ina most beautiful musical form/ Your Wilson's sound like garbage next to a high tech wide band But one must be honest in the listening session. Bias prejudice won't cut it. |
Right now it appears as if you have no idea what you are talking about
Probably less tha 1% of Agon members have actually heard a high tech wide band This is my point. My messages are now locked in google, In years from now, others googling **wide band** will see my posts and realize there is in fact another alternative to your box/xover things. By chance I hit on the idea, by sheer luck and persistence. I would never go back from where I came. I sought and I found. Box speakers only hold value as helpers to wide bands, Never will be a front center experience. Sorry, once you've heard a high tech WBer, you realize how much music you've been missing all these decades. |
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