Deciding if I like Class D.


I recently purchased Goldenear 1R towers. I was powering them with my Oultlaw 770 initially. I’ve also used a 350 wpc McIntosh a friend owns.. I realize the Outlaw is not audiophile grade, but it’s actually better than most give credit for.  Anyway...

Even though the built in subs are powered, the towers still benifet from a good amount of power, up to 650 rated, so I have been on a quest to find the right amp.

I purchased a set of Hypex Ncore NC1200 Monoblocks with custom buffer boards, and it came with Sparkos 2590s Opamps as per my request. The Goldenears are slightly forward, and I was told Sparkos was the way to go because the were warmer in presentation .

So, I let the amp break in, playing it when I wasn’t home at 85 to 95 DBs for a few days, and gave it some good material to assess it.

I was immediately disenchanted, because the amps sounded very dull, and the highs were rolled off considerably. When compared to the A/B amp the D was not pleasing to my ears. My hearing is slightly diminished from combat, but the A/B was much more detailed.

So I called the company that made amp, and he was very polite and helpful. He sent out a set of Weiss OP2 and Sonic Imagery 990 opamps,to see if I preferred the sound characteristics. Well, the difference was significant.

I am using a Marantz 8805 preamp in pure direct mode . Using BlueOs Streamer, using both optical, and a analog outputs for the testing.. Analog is required to get the MQA files to give full resolution.

To me, the Sparkos just killed the sound. I could honestly see why reviewers would say the treble in particular, was not musical. If I had to live with that sound, I would not..

The Sonic 990 was much better. Much more detailed, better sound stage, just better overall.. Then, I tried the Weiss. Well, that was another level altogether. It sounded like the McIntosh, perhaps better in some regards, but to be honest, it takes a lot time and A-B testing to really be sure. None the less, after hearing the Weiss, it was obvious that they were superior to everything else.

So, I called the manufacturer to let him know my findings, and he said, well, I should give the Sonic 990 another try. I asked why. He said the Weiss would add over 600 dollars for the two pair over the Sparkos and Sonic Imagery.

So, that would bring this setup to over 3100 for the pair. And I could buy a ’good’ high power A/B for that used or even new.

I’ve read a lot of opinions on this forum, and I know the consensus is that D is good, but not great. I know people usually defend what they own, so I needed to hear it for myself. Without a basis of comparison, I’d probably never know the difference, but to be honest, aside from the Hypex getting much louder, and without any audible distortion, I really think the A/B *may* still be more musical, but dammit, I’m not 100% sure. It’s subtle at best.

After hearing the Weiss Opamps, I’d not be satisfied with anything else, but with them, the price is commensurate to A/B.

I’d really appreciate your input on this subject..

BTW, I have purposely left out the company I bought it from, because I think component wise, they are all pretty similar,and I don’t want to start any BS.

I will say though, at the end of the day, the op amps make-or-break the amplifier.

Thank you
Rick




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@knowitall,


I use my GE Triton Reference speakers with a 300wpc McIntosh MC302 amp.  The sound is totally effortless.  Even before I had the Mac amp, I used a CJ amp and with both amps, the highs were never bright.  I have also owned at 1 time a pair of GE Triton Ones and Triton Twos and never, ever felt any were bright. 
I agree with @erik_squires and @fuzztone on this. Enough so that I won’t repeat their comments here.

My experience with op amps is similar to yours. I much preferred the Sonic Imagery 990ENH TICHA to the Sparkos SS2590 in my setup (Apollon PuriFi-1ET400A-based monoblocks). Good thing, because a friend with Maggies was happy to receive my Sparkos op amps, which suited his ears better in his Class D amps. (As you did, I found the Sparkos a bit rolled off and lacking in detail.)

I have not tried the Weiss op amps; I don’t believe they are plug-compatible with the other two, at least not in my setup. But Daniel Weiss has a superb reputation in high-end pro and home audio.

By the way, I preferred my current Class D amps to some Class AB amps I tried costing 2 to 3 times as much. I could say the Class D amps "perform better" -- they certainly measure better -- but "performance" IMO has become a loaded and almost meaningless concept in high-end audio.

I’m not saying the Goldenear 1Rs are bright, but the Heil like tweeter is certainly more pronounced than most domes, IMHO.. Which is one of the reasons I bought them.

The purpose of this post is to give my opinion, for what it’s worth, on the op amps, and ask if the price tag on the Weiss, which brings the cost over 3000, is worth it or not.. I realize that its personal preference, but it’s not so much the money that concerns me as much as what I’m getting, or could get with it.

BTW, I think the Weiss ought to fit if the others do. Same post positions. 
"...Then, I tried the Weiss. Well, that was another level altogether..."

A few hundred dollars is not much when you get a lifetime of musical enjoyment out of good gear. My suggested upgrade path for you would to upgrade your pre-amp and keep the Op amp you liked.