Crazy crazy crazy

I’d also like to touch on what tomic601 posted regarding “the FENCE” but ghetto style.

What makes a forum any different than the joint? Those of you whom have your head in the gutter, no, not the sticky icky one I’m referring.

We all have but more than one agenda in a discussion such as this. The topic at hand first and foremost, friend or foe, like minded, not like minded, religion and politics.

@oldhvymec, your GIFT wording is spot on

I’ll answer…..BLOODSHED

RELAX…..I come in peace

Time for one of the Moderation team of this AUDIO RELATED forum to shut this thread down, It was not methinks in the mind of the OP to create such a divisive , polarising and in parts toxic thread that it has morphed into.

Newcomers may ignore the fact that we are all friends here, even when we disagree.... Anyway i hate no one here even those with which i disagree most of the times...

Newcomers ignore the fact that many of us dont come here for a precise audio topic only but also to read opinionss of posters friends or acquintances we know already sometimes very well...This fact explain the strong attraction of audiogon with his particular audio expertise distributed among all audiogoners...

Newcomers cannot ask for a thread to be erased when they comes disrespectfully disregarding the people who took time to communicate with one another at the price of not being on the same perspective concerning complex issues here...

Newcomers Are welcome if they respect the 2 sides of an argument and participate without insulting.... It is sometimes difficult to restrain ouselves...

I apologize to all for my excessive passion or " pontificating " tone ( i know myself 😁😊 )...

I only hope that my posts are not always boring and boring for all....After all we entertained ourselves like in a bar or in an audio festival here....

Audiogon is not an audio neutral wikipedia only but a living animated perpetual discussion between strangers who may become friends or at least acquintances....

For us who comes here regularly all people are souls with their own perspectives not anonnymus nick names with strange opinions....This fact only makes the greatest difference in the world when we read a post....

My best to all....

The toughest thing to stomach for all of us, regardless of our ideology or passion, is that the law of large numbers predicts the eventual outcome. Thats frustrating to any individual, especially if the predictable outcome is opposite the individuals desired outcome.

I recall vividly when the air traffic controllers were fired for striking during the Reagan administration. They weren’t wrong, they were just on the wrong side of the outcome.

There will be many, regrettably, during this time who will pay a very high price. That price might be paid by someone who takes the vaccine and has an adverse outcome…it happened during polio….alot of dead kids until they got it worked out. That high price might be paid by someone choosing to not be vaccinated losing their jobs or worse, they get sick and have long term covid side effects or worse, they lose their life or a loved one.

I made my decision and others have made theirs, there should be mutual respect even if we dont always understand or agree with the other person’s decision. Where I think we all get bent out of shape is the criticism, many times harsh and over the top, from the other side.

I’m just not that concerned that I made the right or wrong decision, the outcome will be what it will be now that its made. Same goes for every time I get behind the wheel of the car, board an airplane, eat food. I stand by my non-judgemental but reasoned assertion that those who lose their jobs in small to mid-size firms it will be because of issues larger than take a shot or not. It will be because the cost to figure out a way to accomodate the individual isn’t worth it to the organization.

If we were forced to require the vaccine of all staff, which we are but of course the rules have yet to be written, we would examine the fallout and adjust accordingly. I have co-workers for whom we would set them up in a sole proprietorship and contract back from them to perform similar work. I have co-workers for whom it is unlikely we would change the thermostat to accomodate. Thats kindof the way it will unfold to varying degrees. Large companies, the law of large numbers kicks in and some good and some less good team members will be lost because its more of a binary decision.

We should always be honest with ourselves, what kind of co-worker are we? Are we constantly railing against the windmill of the day, certain that everyone is out to get us or keep us down? Life will go on and leave us behind or not, depending on the decisions we make. The really perplexing decisions people make that I dont understand arent the ones who take/dont take the vaccine, its the ones who stay behind in their homes when a massive hurricane is barreling toward them. 

Oh well, peace to all and good luck with the outcome, no matter which choice youve made.

“relieve the natives of their land “ Dude that just says it all.

I am here, in the US due a confluence of factors; ambition, restlessness, oppression, the desire to oppress in turn , war, etc. I know my dna and my history, some threads back to 1400. I know the centuries old pogroms that evicted some of them,

One dna donor got here by taking another's place in the Civil war, $50 buys a lot of democracy, land of the free. Now there is a lesson in capitalism.

Lucky to travel the world for work and play.

Thank you mahgister for your very intellectual answer. As well as OTHERS

I’ll roll the dice it’s who I am, even when at a loss. Which one do you prefer, Poker or Chess? I’ll even settle for Checkers ;-)

Unless my wife turns into a ZOMBIE, for me, this chapter is closed. Though I will return for videos on educating myself.

We are created in Gods image