How important is the pre-amp?


Hello all,

Genuine request here for other's experiences.

I get how power amps can make really significant changes to the sound of a system. And of course speakers have an even bigger effect. And then there is the complicated relationship between the speaker and power amp. But I wonder about pre-amps.

In theory a well designed preamp should just act as a source switch and volume control. But does it add (or ruin) magic? Can a pre-amp color the sound? Alter pace and timing? Could you take a great sounding system and spoil it with the wrong preamp? Stereophile once gushed (while reviewing a preamp that cost as much as a car) that the preamp was the heart of the system, setting the tone of everything. Really? Some people don't even bother with a preamp, feeding their DACs straight into the power amp. Others favor passive devices, things without power. If one can get a perfectly good $2K preamp, why bother with 20K?

What your experiences been?
rols
That was the standard and had the very significant advantage of simplicity of the signal path. More recent marketing efforts promote balanced connectivity. Balanced topology imposes twice the circuitry into the signal path. Abandoning single-ended is not an advancement.
@perazzi28 This statement is false. The best way to implement fully balanced circuitry without transformers is to go fully differential. This does not require 'twice the circuitry'. Add about 50% and you will be closer. And there are advantages: for example for a given stage of gain, you can have up to nearly 6dB less noise, and distortion will be reduced as well. In addition the circuit is far less sensitive to power supply noise and of course can reject noise at its input caused by hum fields and like impinged on the interconnect cable.


The cost of the parts does not seem to be a consideration; there are a good number of balanced line preamps available that are less expensive than single-ended preamp with which they easily compete.


Finally the balanced line system was created with two purposes; the first to eliminate ground loops, the second to eliminate the artifact of interconnect cables (if you've ever heard a difference between interconnect cables you know what I'm talking about). To make this happen there is a standard (which does not exist for single-ended connections so its a bit of the wild west 70 years on since hifi was created). It is known as AES48. FWIW, most 'high end' balanced audio products don't support the standard, which means that not all the benefits of going balanced will be realized with such equipment. If you've based your comments on hearing such gear, its no surprise you've come to your conclusion. But once you've heard balanced line executed correctly there's no going back. The improvement isn't subtle.
as ralph said

The best way to implement fully balanced circuitry without transformers is to go fully differential. This does not require 'twice the circuitry'. Add about 50% and you will be closer. And there are advantages: for example for a given stage of gain, you can have up to nearly 6dB less noise, and distortion will be reduced as well. In addition the circuit is far less sensitive to power supply noise and of course can reject noise at its input caused by hum fields and like impinged on the interconnect cable.


audio research figured this out and thus implemented differential amplification circuits long long ago...
A preamp is a must for me. Even if I used a DAC with volume control for streaming. I also have other sources, tuner, SACD.

My Benchmark LA4 preamp is a perfect preamp in that it has no sound to it. It costs $2K and it is a great bargain. Read the reviews.

I have a $6.5K CODA 07x that does color the sound. It makes it sound beautiful however, I am finding I listen to the LA4 more.
Everything matters but after 3 decades and God knows how much equipment I firmly believe the preamp and source are super important.