HiFi vs MidFi

whizzers allow for a  wider soundstage.
Rolloff? For sure, no big deal.

It is the horrible decay and overhang that they have that is the problem. They create issues that you clearly can't hear, or you don't understand what you are hearing. 

First you daid this:

My WBers have zero distortion = zero fatigue.
This is a measurable fact

Then you said this in reply to another member:

All speakers distort, they are the weakest link in the chain.


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Yep 100% agree, Read my post logged just above, In that post i explain all in clear unequivocal language.

I know you don't understand, but those two statements are in conflict with each other. 

Its a known fact super tweeters/horn tweets have sibilance.

You are remarkable in the sheer number of "facts" you can get wrong.

Classical music does not need the 15khz=50khz super tweet range.

You do realize that sibilance is well below this range, right? Then again, no you don't realize it.

http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Design_criteria.htm
It is clear you don't understand what he is saying.

I get it, you don't have a lot of money. You want to believe you have found the Holy Grail and beaten everyone for very cheap. Sorry, but it just isn't true. If you like your system, great. Your videos are not convincing anyone that you have good sound. Quite the opposite, in fact. If what you have shown on video is the best possible, the bar is much, much lower than I thought. 

I know you don't understand, but those two statements are in conflict with each other.
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Obvioulsy if I stated
*My WBer has no such weakness**
Would undermine everything I am saying in support of WBers as not only the **Ideal* speaker, but really honestly, truthfull (no snakeoil) WBers is the speaker by choice, the ultimate listening experience.

Zero, near zero, a  miniscule factor, all mean same thing.
xover low sens all have coloration, distortion, fatigue which is noticable. My 2 tech geeks love their vintage stacks.

They hear no such coloration. They  do not get fatigued by their Acoustic Research AR3's, 1973, Philips 2 ways, 10 inch woofer, Radio Shak Nova 7's. 
They love their Vintage stacks.
There ya go, they can live with this paper sound.
Soory I can't
I've since moved on to magnesium in the Seas and some  sort of wooden cone in the DavidLouis.
The magnesium cones are extremely well behaved and have no resonances below 1800hz. 
The wood cone has excellent voice characterists. 
IOW neutral, which is what makes high fi, fatigue free listening.
Follow?
Look, I ain;t backing down. You are taking my ideas out of context, due to your  stubborn refusal to accept  the inherent limitations of xover style speakers, low db sens being the most  obvious  curse of this design. 

If Troels was on this discussion, he'd at least agree with some of my ideas.
Whereas you simply  enjoy twisting and distorting what I am GETTING at.

Just answer the Q.
Do xover types have critical issues in the 2khz-3khz band width?
Its either
Yes
or 
No
Not holding my breath for your answer thats for sure

the opposite, in fact. If what you have shown on video is the best possible, the bar is much, much lower than I thought

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Mahvishnu came through aweful I admit, was trying to get  Billy Cobham drum sets on the vid.
Sophie Milman, Diana Krall sounds quite accurate viia the Sony cam.
I hear true fidelity in my uploads of both.
Which is why I plant the mic right up to both Wbers, so you get a real impression of the quality of the speaker.
Its there, you can say *i do not hear fidelity* Its there.
All my cash went into upgrading my Thors, My teck says **well since you have new Mundorf $$$ xovers, lets ck your Millennium tweeters,,,ohh look one tweeter is off 1/2 ohm, better buy new ones,,** So I did, gave the **old* ones away and bought new @ $750....absoluely zero gain, old = new, = waste of $750.
+ waste of tweeter Mundorf xovers = big $ loss.
Yeah I’m upset for that fiasco.
This loss , 1 yr ago is holding back my WBer Speaker Project.
I thought the M xovers + brand spankin new Millenniums = Super Thor,
= WRONG, tiny minisclue gain in tweeter, but then
nice gain in W18E001 bass punch.
Dumped the Millenniums at $300 free ship, sold in 2!!!! hours ebay.

Then boughta DavidLouis yelolow 6 at $471, , mistake there as its not *High* fidelity, mids are not up to the DLVX8. But hey its all part of The Speaker Experiement.
But does further my understanding in how these WBers work.
And how superior WBers are to any xover/low sensitivity type design.
When I placed the cheap lousey Diatone 6 (from DavidLouis) on 1 channel, the **Super* Seas Thirs on the other, at that very moment  the verdict was clear and decisive.
Same day the Millennium's went for sale on Ebay and  same day ordered the DL Yellow 6. 

This WBer experiment is  in progress,
And i do expect to see further gains. 

btw this topic is soon to become Audiogon's most frequently visisted and  top viewed  in just a  matter of time,. 
Which is good.
Here on this topic we finally will get things thrown under the old carpet out in the open.
**Do I needa  new amplifer? ..Do i need a  better source?...Do I need better cables?...**
No, no, no.
What you need to bring the system to high fidelity is a   WBer system. 
**can  I keep what i have and add a  WBer?*
Yes and no,
No if the midwoofer has resonance issues. 
And the tweet will need to be taken up to 5khz. 
So there's work to make it happen.
At least i can salvage the W18E001's. +  the added Mundorf Supreme Silver Oil 10uf was  a  winner. 

The midwoofer has to be on same level of neutrality as the WBer cone's voicing. 
I found the DLVX8 a  bit superior to the Tang Band 2145, which  Bache Audio employs,
He prefers the Tang Band.
Both were close, to the point, 6 of one half dozen the other. 
But Im giving the Cigar to the DavidLouis VX8.

Sure some of my ideas have resulted in making some enemies around herd. To the point
**I’m done with Audiogon, good bye...can’t take (handel?) mozartfan’s antics and blabberings...*..Others are upset that a few old timeers exited due to my pugnacious temper.
Or is it perhaps , some of what I am saying might be close to the truth about what makes fidelity high and what makes speakers non-fidelity??

Very surprised that it was I who have highlighted these long standing issues inherent within xover designs.

Where’s all the big time audiophiles with extensive knowledge about these things,, NOT chiming in??
Maybe perhaps the things I point out really can’t be defended against.
That the center band width is all critical and that xovers only make feeble attempts to correct and butress the flaws of a midwoofer and tweeter.
??

WEll its late 2121.
Why the delay of some 20 years of hushing up over this situation of xover designs.
vs
the success of the critical band width in Wide Band speakers.

It makes me very happy that I made these realizations all on my own efforts.
My speaker design is all my own.
I was completely unaware of Bache Audio designs, or any other that combined drivers into a system.
But I do believe I am the 1st audiophile to combine dual WBers into 1 system and further developments will have a WBer Trio System.
If the WBer Trio works out, I know for a fact, no one else will have such a design.

It was contact with my tech geek who is a electrical savant, which awakened the spirit of genius within me.
+ the pain and suffering of the Thor upgrade disaster Further giving the impulse to think outside the box.
Being a iconoclast doesn’t hurt either.
In order to make NEW discoveries (= leave old ideas behind) one must sail out on the open seas (Seals And Croft), chart new intercellar space, **To go where no man has gone before** (StarTrek)
As Iconoclast I have no fear of breaking and smashing the temples of xover speakers, as though they were *the gods*. 
No hesitation whatsoever. 
No I do not make for a  good welcomed guest  at  a  audiophile club meeting. 
Whats Jack Nickleson's  most famous notable  line?