Dustcover Blues


Most of you probably know that I have always championed the use of dustcovers on turntables even during play, the goal being to protect the record from the environment and shield it from sound. For the first time in my audio career I have stumbled into a problem with this and other than not putting the dustcover down I have not come up with a solution. 

Yesterday I was playing Herbie Hancock's Secrets and I cranked it on my favotite song. After about 30 seconds the room started to rumble. My subs were putting out a remarkably clean 20 Hz as if I were playing a test tone. Feedback! Just turn the volume down a little and it disappears. Turn the volume back up and within 30 seconds it starts up again. Did I screw up my cartridge set up? I veiwed the tonearm during the feedback and it was rock solid. Usually with low frequency feedback you can see the tonearm shaking. I played the resonance tracks on an Ortofon test record and both lateral and vertical resonance were centered on 9 Hz With the feedback going and the house shaking I wanted a better look at the cantilever. On lifting the dustcover the feedback stopped!  The dust cover is attached to the plinth which is isolated from the sub chassis (tonearm and platter mounted on this) by four springs. The resonance frequency of this suspension is 2 Hz. Nothing above 2 Hz can pass directly through to the platter and tonearm. What is going on here? Any of you scientists out there have a clue? My best guess is that I am dealing with a type of Helmholtz resonation. The dust cover is lowered on four hard rubber pads, one at each corner. There is a 1/16" slot all the way around. This combined with the weight and dimensions of the dust cover creates a resonance at 20 Hz. To get it going I have to turn the volume way up. 

Today when I get home I'll play around with it to see if I can figure it out. Any ideas would be appreciated. 

128x128mijostyn

There's one way to use a dustcover when playing that will actually work in terms of both dust and vibration control.

Raul, I think you are right. The material a dust cover is made of is important. It can't be flimsey but it can't weight too much either or hinges won't be able to hold it open. The Sota cover is much heavier than it use to be. It is made of butte joined 1/8" Laxan with all the edges chamfered. It is acutally quite a nice cover. There is a lot more going on here besides the cover. Read on!

 

 @lewm , Your speakers should be able to go down a few Hz lower than mine because they are 4" wider. You do not listen to the music I do. As I remember you are into old jazz and singers? If you want to know how your system would handle what I listen too sometimes get a copy of Soundgarden's Badmotorfinger and play the 1st cut at 100 dB peaks, 95 dB is probaly enough. Measure it with a meter. I do not think you will like what you hear. You'll be OK at 85 dB. That kind of bass is going to distort the heck out of everything. The voice will actually modulate with the bass. Like you I have had one ESL after another since 1978. I set up one pair of Beverages in a big system in Miami. ESLs will make bass but they will not like doing it. You listen to relatively polite music. Going down to 40 Hz is probably enough but even in jazz the bass drum can go down lower. Even on very old recordings from the early 60s the bass drums can go quite low. With modern recording, drum and synthesizers there is a lot of information below 40 Hz.

I use 4 12" subwoofers each one with an X-max of over 2 cm. They are in a linear array so acoustically they function as one driver with useful output down to 10 Hz. Each driver gets 2000 watts. I cross over to them at 100 Hz and use an 8th orde slope or 48 dB/oct.  Look at those frequency response curves I put up on my system page. That is the frequency response of my system and room at the left lateral side wall with the microphone sitting on the plater. The response at the listening position is much flatter with the bass up 5 dB at 20 Hz and the treble down 3 dB at 20 kHz. The bass and treble curves are intensional. I programmed the system to do that because I like it that way. At the wall it is very bass heavy which certainly does not help but I am now stuck with that position so, I have to work with it.

Now for the juicey part. I put felt strips under the dust cover to seal it when closed and..... the feedback got worse. I hate when that happens:-(   But, lift the cover and it goes right away. I do not know what made me do it but I put two fingers under the turntable where you can feel the underside of the subchassis and it was boucing at 24 Hz! Lift the dust cover and it stops. Put it down and the subchassis starts bouncing at 24 Hz. This is way above the chassis's resonance frequency. Somehow I have created a 24 kHz musical instrument. When I am listening loud it will have to be with the cover up until I figure this one out. There are three spaces. One under the dust cover, one above the subchassis and below the plinth the one below the subchassis and above the granite the table sits on. There is an open port at the tonearm board between chambers 1 and two. Also, I do not have to be playing the turntable. If I play a CD with a heavy bassline the subchassis will start bouncing to the music. There is no feedback path so it stops immediately. Lift the dust cover and it all stops. My brother has a PhD in aquadic acoustics. His response was to tell me to think about sound waves like water waves. "Now you can figure it out for yourself."  Wondeful. 

 

 

Dear @mijostyn  : I used the Denon hinges and the really heavy glass dust cover thickness were made it especially for that application as how the hinges were fixed to the onyx/marble plynths.

 

The glass dust covers where made by 5 sides joined each one with special silicon like.

 

R.

 

 

Yes Raul, like a fish tank. You could have one made up here easily. Not sure about the hinges. They would have to be very hardy to hold the weight. My old Transcriptors had a glass plinth and cover. I only kept it for a few months. It was awful. I got an Oracle after that and it was almost as bad. After, I went back to the Linn LP 12 until I found the Sota Sapphire. Breath of fresh air.

@tomic601 , Donna really does the business end. Christan is the one to talk to about the technical aspects. I have not brought it up with him yet but, I will as soon as I have it figured out. I am making a"skirt" to go around the bottom of the plinth closing off the cavity under the turntable. Switching cartridges does nothing.