Different R2R DACs
Several months ago, I bought a used Hono Spring Level 2 DAC to see how R2R would compare against my Mytek Brooklyn DAC+. I like the Brooklyn+ a lot, but, given the other components in my system, I'm thinking about building in a bit more warmth (without losing significant detail). I'm not looking for sweetness or holography. Unfortunately, I was thoroughly unimpressed by the way the Holo Spring Level 2 smeared the music. I returned it within two weeks. Perhaps the unit I bought was defective (though I bought it from a highly reputable seller of used equipment), but it started me wondering how much of the hype surrounding the newer generation of R2R DACs was just that, hype. However, I keep seeing so many glowing reviews of reasonably priced R2R DACS from Denafrips, Aqua, Lampizator and others. So I'm wondering whether I should give them another try. Unfortunately, where I live the only real (suboptimal) option is to audition by purchasing one DAC at a time. Before I start down that road again, I thought I would ask the collective brain of Audiogon about how much of a difference I might expect, as against the Holo Spring level 2, from a new Denafrips Pontus II or used Terminator II, a used Aqua La Voce or Lampizator, or some other R2R DAC under $5K. I don't require require resolutions greater than 24/192 (beyond which I discern no difference). I do like the option of MQA decoding, but it's not a deal breaker.
The rest of my system (source components aside), at present, include a Parasound JC2 BP preamp, a pair of VTV Purifi mono amps, and Harbeth C7ES-3 speakers.
audio-satisficer, I might have missed it, but did you give a budget for how much you want to spend on a new DAC? I'm still using the original Schiit Bifrost multibit and I'm thinking about getting the Pontus, but I'm not in a great hurry. I just bought new speakers and an amp this year and my wife will go nuts if I come home with anything but groceries for a while! All the best. JD |
I have reached a state of zen in which I feel no need or desire to extoll the virtues of my particular choice of R2R DAC. As CharlesDad noted-once again as he tends to hit the nail on head-it is a matter of implementation. System synergy and individual sensitivities too. I am very sensitive to digital sound and listener fatigue. That might sound elitist but I truly don't mean it to be. I do think that at lower price points achieving great digital sound is very unlikely. Thanks to the popularity of streaming, DAC's are here to stay and CDP's are an endangered species. So things become more complicated. A talented design team or single engineer can craft a great CDP but accounting for all of the variation between possible music storage systems (typically with integrated streaming) and the variations of connections (I2S, S/PDIF, or other) and then the design of the DAC itself is nigh impossible. As you move up to more pricey designs and implementations the variables become paradoxically easier to match and more difficult at the same time. Just my humble op. |
@audio-satisficer I agree with the above comment about not building warmth into your system via the DAC. I am also wondering if there is a contradiction in wanting warmth but preferring a clean sound. I take your use of clean to mean detailed. This makes me think there is a contradiction here. Nonetheless, I prefer detail from my DAC. But I also like the tube sound and soundstage, depth and imaging one can get from tubes. So my recommendation, is to go with a good R2R ladder DAC. That is where the detail will come from. I have a Denafrips Terminator Plus and I love it. But there are a range of Denafrips DACs in different pieces. All have been well reviewed. Pick the one that is in the top end of your DAC budget. If you don't see a used one, then go to Vinshine Audio and order one. Alvin Chee the owner is a pleasure to do business with. All those DACs are R2R by the way. As for the warmth you can either look at a tube preamp, tube integrated and or tube power amp. You apparently didn't like the Freya+. You might have better luck with the new Doge 8 preamp or a Backert preamp. I think PrimaLuna makes a preamp too. There is also a tube stage in PS Audio's BHK Preamps and amps. Rogue Audio makes a fine tube preamp. There are many others. But bottom line is look for detail in your DAC and complement it with warmth in the preamplifier or amplifier. |
Every DAC I've owned has had a unique sonic signature, just like every analog source has sounded different. In the R2R realm, I have a MHDT Labs Orchid and an Aqua La Voce S3. I had a Schiit multibit Bifrost for a while. The Orchid is warm and "analog" sounding, but not the most detailed. The Aqua is very neutral sounding and more detailed. The Bifrost is great for its price, but had a bit of an "edge" to it I couldn't live with. I had a Mytek Liberty DAC and would choose any of the three I mentioned over it. It was very "digital" sounding and a bit bright to my ears. My Teac NT-505 is not R2R, but strikes a nice balance between a bit of warmth, detail, and easy to listen to "analog" like sound. I agree that it's more about the implementation than the technology and more about what sonic characteristics you desire. If your ears and / or system aren't good enough to detect differences, then it doesn't really matter what you use. |
op my 2 cents as follows - harbeth c7 es3 is a warm toned speaker, with a full mid bass, you have done well to use solid state electronics, though i think purifi modules’ sound tend to ’flatten out’ the sound some, and given this, i would go with dac choices that have clarity and drive (but with smoothness as well), a slightly forward quality, rather than the overtly richer more euphonic sounding dac choices - as such i would err in the direction of the dena terminator or better holo models, rather than aqua voce, mhdt, lampi’s, audio mirror, which definitely add more tubey warmth at some expense of prat, air, overt detail - others that i suggest you might also try, are chord dacs (hugo tt2 for instance), soekris 1541/2541, or benjamin zwickels mojo dac - each with great clarity and smoothness but without the robotic, extruded quality of sound that comes with lesser, cheaper dacs that have upfront treble - as you move up in cost in the dac game, i find that ’you get your cake and eat it too’... meaning, you get space, air, effortless detail, but with no trace of digital grain or mechanical quality to the sound - and you can choose a slightly leaner/cleaner solid state type or presentation, or one with a touch of tubey richness and smoothness, but still with excellent pace, drive and timing |
