Is advice from a constant upgrader to be avoided


For a while now I've been reading these forums and to be honest i was thinking of leaving. I felt a bit out of depth given that it seems so many others have had so much experience through owning what seems to be tens of speakers, amplifiers, DACs etc etc and reading people buying and selling piece after piece after piece on the search for some sound.... 

When someone asks advice about a certain item it seems like half the audience have owned it and moved on and have a comment to make. I then read about someone buying an extremely expensive amp and deciding quickly to sell it because it doesn't sound right. Then someone else is on their fourth DAC in a year. 

So all these people have advice to give. What I'm wondering now is, is advice from a person who's never content, constantly changing their system, never living with a system for long enough, and have more money than patience, really the right person to take advice from? .

There seems fewer (maybe they're less vocal) people who buy gear and spend the time to appreciate it, and have maybe only had a very few systems in their lifetime. I think I'd rate their advice higher on the gear they know than the constant flipper/upgrader.

Is the constant flipper/upgrader always going to say that the gear they used to own was no good and they've now got better? Maybe their constant searching is because their ear is no good or they're addicted to the rush of opening a new box. 

Just because person X has owned a lot of equipment doesn't mean their advice is to be sought after, it could mean the exact opposite.

mid-fi-crisis

i know this is a discussion forum with mainly bored geezers entertaining themselves sipping coffee with background music, but let’s be serious for a minute

how do you get information and advice on anything if it is really important to you?

first, understand your source, what do they have to gain in giving you information, and you deciding one way or another? what is their dog in the hunt? are they seemingly helping you but actually helping themselves?

second, are they credible? aside from motivation, what is their experience level, their qualification for providing that info? do they practice what they preach?

third, what is the consequence to you of acting on the info and it’s actually bad info? how much effort should you make to ensure all your info is well grounded and accurate, and applicable to you?

@hilde45 wrote something to this effect early on... i'm just reinforcing...

chatter is chatter, but let’s not get carried away with the ridiculous

@jjss49  Well said and I agree. It's not a bad way to decide on medical advice. Don't trust the loudest voices or the ones with agendas behind their advice. 

@douglas_schroeder Appreciate your comment very much, and your reviews always educate me. In particular, you said, "I am a System Builder, who loves working with different gear to hear the result....The performance spectrum is much larger than you seem to realize....[it] is enormous and it goes quite a ways upward into SOTA."

I'm into this hobby in part for the music but also to see how much my sensibilities (cognitive and auditory) can be advanced. If one wants to get better at tennis, play someone better; if one wants to get better at audio, seek better sound.

Maybe I start thread ranking quality of member advice of thing like speaker and tweak. I be at the top of list with golden ear reward. Even my ear hair made of diamond.

@hilde45

@jjss49 Well said and I agree. It’s not a bad way to decide on medical advice. Don’t trust the loudest voices or the ones with agendas behind their advice.

lol - when my parents got old and sick with cancer, we would visit an oncologist, they would recommend chemo therapy, we would then see a surgeon, guess what, he says by far the best way is surgical resection, then we call on a radiation oncologist, now just guess what they recommended as the ideal initial treatment????

when what you have is only a hammer in your tool-belt, the world quickly looks like a giant, endless bed of nails

@douglas_schroeder

When the internet evolved beyond the old BBS world I thought this was gonna be great, people sharing knowledge, growing with and from one another.  Has turned into something rather different, polluted by self-righteous and cowardly bullies hiding behind annonyimity to be intolerantly rude and judgemental and dumping the stream fecal sewerage the emminates from their mind into the clearer waters of those wanting and willing to listen and share.  Audiogon and the audiophile community is  certainly not alone in this unfortunateness.  Some people want to stay with the same audioi system forever.  Fine, I'd never put them down for it.  Some people like to experiment.  Sometimes they even do heretical things like adjust the hue or bright/contrast of the TV or even buy a new one!  I'd never put them down for that either. 

And there's one tremendously ironic thing about this dynamic and we see it displayed widely and clearly here.  The people who do experiment and change equipment and spend money on what have often, but not always, provided some small improvement in the experience and have proven to be advancements in the technology of audio reproduction are almost NEVER judgemental of those who don't experiment with changing equipment.  They consistely and sincerely express the position of, "Hey, I think it's great that you love your system the way it is.  Good for you."  It's universally the people who don't want to change anything and/or won't spend even a little bit of money to try something new who pile on with riducule, smug abuse and, honestly, a lot of ignorance as they attack people who are just having an open conversation. Cowards hiding behind a screen, armed with a keyboard, spewing sewage into otherwise interesting waters.

@sns 

You say you only trust the people who've learned "what they DON'T like."  Why?  What's wrong with people who've bought a piece of equipment they do like and sharing that??  If you go into a wine shop do you say to the person working there, "Hey, listen, just tell me all the things here you don't like?"  If you're thinking about going on a trip, the beach, skiing, traveling abroad and someone starts telling you about a place they really enjoyed do you say, "Hold on there!  I only want to here about bad trips you've had."  If you suddenly discover you need a plumber and a neighbor starts telling you about a great experience they had with a particular plumber do you say, "Whoa whoa whoa, I only want to here about all of the crappy plumbers you've hired?" 

You're whole story makes no sense, in fact it smells, like sewerage.  I'm calling BS on it.  It's made up trash to support your self annointed superiority.  Never happened.  

@wspohn 

The search for betterment is the passion of the intelligent and curious mind.  It is not a disease and not a symptom of a disease.  The inability to understand that coupled with the need to ridicule it is, however, a symptom of retardation.