Moving away from inefficient/low impedance speaker in order to move to a Tube Amp

i suppose IF ya think of mechanical amplifiers aka compression driver / horn and cone breakup as not lossy, a bit of uniform compression ain't the devil you think it is…

For those seeking stunningly well designed and executed output transformers look no further than Gow’s MC240 or Roger Modjeski RM-9. 40 wpc and 100+ WPC….

BTW, heard an absolutely gorgeous sounding pair of Harbeth w Line Magnetic low powered amp the other day at Gig Harbor Audio….

Cast a wide net ;-)

 

 

+++ @daveyf right you are, BOTH ( or more ) transformers…power supply , output…and ? 

Ok my 2 cents ,I own Polk lsim707, 8 ohm 88 eff..The manual saids 20 to 300 watts to drive them.But everyone who has tested these speakers say ,you will need 300 to 350 watts to drive them.I had used a SS amps Adcom,Carver,and others to drive them.Then one day I hooked up my Cayin A 50 TP MK 11 tube integrated amp to drive them...I used the ultralinrar sett5at 35 wpc.and have found no problem driving them...I have a nice size livingroom 28x32 with Cathedral ceilings...ok I dont put the volume up like I'm in a concert hall,put they play loud.Every article I have read saids ,you need power to drive them...the tubes do a great job and they sound great.

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11-23-2021 8:32pm

Mozartfan said: If you run a single FR, any tube amp will work just fine.

Could you tell me what FR means.

 

 

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Yeah well read realworldaudio posts above, What he is saying is that xover type speakers are under 90 db sens = lots of compression = the lower db you go the more IN-Efficient = more work on the amplifier = less fidelity = crappy sound.

I’ve completely moved away from xover types.

Even if Scanspeak and Seas did make a 90++ sens drivers and Troels put something together,, still we have the xover point to deal with.

= Double flawed.

Low sens + xover point = unmusical.

The sound is stressed/compressed/attacking/just plain noisey.

FR = Full range,, The DITers want to keep it FR, not *wide banders*

 

Here is a smaple of the performance of a higher sens FR speaker in action, 95db sens.

If you go SET, the magic can only come forth witha magical speaker.

SET’s require a high fidelity speaker.;

As realworldaudio noted

 

**A high sens FR/horn that has issues will be cleanly noted in a SET amp set up...** The higher the sens, the more will any weakness be noted in the speakers performance.

 

Resonances, fq spikes, shouts, muddyiness, bloatedness,, too forward a mid range at sacrifice of bass,,,,lets not forget beaming which some Tang band suffers from.

 

I did say just about any tube amp will work ok witha FR.

But the end results are not the same.

SET amps are great for low key recordings,, for big band jazz/blues,  large band.orchestra, PP wins the Cuban Cigar.

I attempt to explain some of these things in this video.

Horns work great with SETs for that massive soundstage for extra large rooms, For a more intimate listening exp for small/mid size rooms, FR work best

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XTmQHjF0e4

 

 

Speakers are a very important component. I would put the sound of the speakers above all. It is pretty easy to evaluate speakers and just check to see they are not really inefficient. You want speakers you love the sound of, then tweak your electronics to get to most out of them. So, just stay away from planar and <87db or so. 

One of the greatest changes I made to my system was going from solid state amps to tubed. While I have less than half the power, no question my system sounds the best it ever has… although to be honest, while the wattage halved, the cost did double… so probably not surprising it sounds so much better.