"FWIW some of us are interested in actual listening experience, and especially when people mention how it sounds vs other amps they know."👍
That's what I noted a couple of pages back. It's never a good thing when someone has little or no knowledge about something but thinks they do. There's no sense in getting into that debate.
In addition, many moons ago, I had a Proceed AVP (when the model was current in my system). It was easy to hook multiple digital cables from my Proceed PMDT. I had someone hook them behind the system and didn't know the inputs used and they were also swapped periodically. I had no knowledge of what particular cables were in what input and the person swapping had no knowledge of what I was selecting via the remote control. I was always curious of how measurement/engineering types view digital cables. I had a couple explaining to me that there were ones and zeroes traveling down the cable (I did my best not to laugh). Anyway, I had a few of those over and we did listening and I asked them to pick which sounded better. They all picked the same one and then when we compared notes between myself and the person swapping cables on paricular listening session numbers, they all wanted to dissect the preamp as there had to be hardware differences. When I pointed out that the results already eliminated that possibility, they wouldn't accept the truth as to what they heard (I guess it was a conspiracy to them). Moral of the story, even hearing differences, they wouldn't accept them. So why would one argue with someone who hasn't heard something or compared it to something else? Let alone, for the most part the facts they are basing a conclusion on are from a source of little to no value related to audio (it's pretty much like the story I got above that ones and zeroes were floating across the cable).
I also noted go start a thread on why a particular amp sucks and enjoy. I actually feel bad for them as it's kind of like the story of the emperor's new clothes.