Next best exponential DAC quality level?


I recently did a shoot out of three DACs using my Hint6 + routing each of the other DACs to analog input on the Hint6:

(1) Hint6: ESS Sabre32 -- Integrated 

(2) SMSL M500: ES9038PRO D/A   ~$400 

(3) Khadas ToneBoard(v1): ESS ES9038Q2M - ~$99

I played the same song passages on Amazon Music and was able to cycle through each Hint6 input corresponding to each DAC.

The result?  Very small difference in terms of rendering.  Maybe a more open sound stage with better overall balance using the Hint6 DAC.  The Khadas was more bass / midrange pronounced w/ a more narrow soundstage.  However, I wouldn't suggest that any were head-and-shoulders "better" over the others.  In fact, they were all pretty decent with only small nuances (certainly not worth the price differences.   

I decided to keep the Khadas for my small headphone listening area. 

But it got me thinking - how much would one have to spend to realize an exponential difference in quality?  Is the Khadas that good, or is DAC technology differences more nuanced than I originally thought (meaning, we're paying 10x for only 5% better).  

 

128x128martinman

I listened to a DAC for the first time in 1984. That was two years after the arrival of the first CD player to the USA - the Hitachi vertical-loader. In 1983/84 Adcom came out with the first made-in-the-USA audiophile CD player, soon followed by the Adcom  DAC. That's what I listened to in a high-end store. Sounded pretty good - but no cigar! I went back home to my turntable and LP collection. I waited until 1992 to buy my first CD player - a Technics using the MASH circuit. Up till then I didn't think that digital could compete with analog - the reason that I waited ten years to get into digital playback.

That first Hitachi CD player sounded good in 1982 - and at a retail price of $1000 it should! But no cigar! That high-end store had the TOTL Denon TT/arm/mc cartridge into the Levinson JC-1 head amp clone. No.contest - LP playback was clearly way better! I think it took about 10 years for consumer-level CD playback to challenge the LP (1991/92).

There isn’t a person in all of this site (or any other site) that could tell the architecture of the DAC if designed to be accurate just from listening.

That’s absolutely correct. Then why do you and others keep insisting that a tube based DAC is inferior, has poor SQ compared to SS? Oh yeah, it’s the specs.

An example of a well built, well implemented DAC is made by Audio Note. The designer has said they measure and spec the device, then they tweak it during a listening session until it sounds like real music. They use masters as their sources.

 

How long do we think cindyment has really been on this forum? Maybe 1 day + 4 years? She's really taking a hard stand for a new member.

I wish secretaryguy would post this awesome system he must have. I’d like to see what a little “common sense” hath wrought…