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Adding a “safe haven” forum for discussion of tweaks?

I think we can all agree that threads about tweaks like fuses, stones, mats, power conditioners etc. stir up all kinds of controversy, conflict and ill will.

 

Short of banning discussion of these controversial topics, is there another solution to this problem?

 

I got this idea from teo_audio’s comments about a solution implemented at Canuck audio on another thread:

 

“Canuck audio tames it by having a cable and tweak area for threads. Where any counter to the idea that such things are functional (in attempt or in analysis), is not tolerated.

 

Meaning.. threads where people discuss tweaks, or mods or cables and so on, if a naysayer posts there, and interrupts the discussion, in any way, they get their posts deleted. And...if the given naysayer can’t hold their tongue, after said deletion-ish warnings..... they will, rapidly, via any repeats in behavior, find themselves banned from the forum. They have to grow up, or get lost.”

 

You may not like parts of his description, but I think the idea has real merit.

 

I propose a new “safe haven” sub-forum, with some special rules, for the discussion of tweaks. These rules would ONLY apply to this specific sub-forum, the current rules would continue as they are in all other areas.

 

The special rules would be along these lines:

 

Posts that categorically deny the possibility of tweaks having any effect or value are not allowed.

 

Posts proclaiming tweaks to be “scams” “cons” etc. are not allowed.

 

Posts that directly state, or imply, that another poster is lying, are not allowed.

 

Posts that make absolute negative statements like “Science proves it can’t work.” are not allowed.

 

Posts demanding measurements, controlled listening tests etc. are not allowed.

 

Posts that express skepticism (without making absolute negative statements), ask tough questions, or request more information are welcome.

 

Of course, some who hold the above opinions may object, but they would still be able to express those opinions in all other parts of the forum, just like they always have.

 

What do you think?

tommylion
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cindyment
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Let me give you my take on this. I will even state that I think most tweaks are ludicrous. I think threads on the latest color of SR fuse while Ted laughs his way to the bank are 3rd level ludicrous. So that is where I am coming from. So how do I "police" myself?  Best to give examples

- Someone starts a thread who has bought purple SR fuses and want to discuss it. Have at it. I am not going to participate

- Someone starts a thread and says hey, I have the orange SR fuse, and I am considering the purple fuse, and wants to discuss it. Have at it, I am not going to participate.

- Someone starts a thread and says I have never used fuses and I am considering it, what do people think?  That I will participate in, and whether you believe in fuses or not, you should have no expectation of being able to say anything you want without having to defend it. The old mantra sticks, entitled to your own opinion, not our own facts.

- Now if someone says I am thinking of trying fuses, can people who have used fancy audio fuses before give me some feedback, well then again, I am not going to participate.

The "safe haven" idea works, only if it has specific moderation. I don't really feel that is censorship because almost all "clubs" have some basic membership rules and requirements.

If you want a whole website that is a "safe space", that is a bad idea. That is an echo chamber, and everyone in it just stagnates, never learns, never moves forward.

Arguing, even heated arguments, on forums, is good. That is the whole point. Nothing ever moves forward if everyone just agrees with everything. It is even okay to say that what someone wrote it stupid, if you give a reasoned argument why you think it is stupid. What is not okay, is to just call someone stupid. What is not okay is to make posts intended to only denigrate someone but have little to no relevance to the thread topic. It took me about 10 posts here to figure out that that happens far far too often here, and it is far too accepted a practice, and there is no hesitation once it starts for others to jump in and do the same thing. There are quite a few posters that should study the list of logical fallacies, and make a concerted effort not to use them.   https://thebestschools.org/magazine/15-logical-fallacies-know/

 

It all comes back to maturity. You want your "safe haven". Do you feel you earned it?  Can you read through that list of logical fallacies above and state confidently that you rarely are guilty of these? Cause if you can't, that "safe haven" will just devolve and become an empty space.

 

 

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tsushima1
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So transparent 🙄

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mahgister
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If someone own a perfectly controllled refine DSP system, like cindyment, for sure he will not need cable, fuses, or Schuman generators...Nor a complete grid of Helmholtz resonators fine tuned for the speakers...The ancestor of electronical DSP is mechanical Helmholtz equalization of a room....😊 I am pretty sure our friend cindyment know that...

Because anybody who knows enough about DSP can reach a good S.Q. without that....

Myself i dont use DSP, i am not knowleadgeable in DSP and dont have the money to buy it, i used some homemade devices for controlling vibrations for example....

I used Helmholtz method in acoustic at peanuts costs...

But i dont denigrate the power of DSP...

It is ridiculous then to denigrate other ways... Like controlling acoustics or vibrations or even other controversials devices...

The only important matter is that it is not money who give a good sound most of the times but experiments and ELEMENTARY science....At peanuts costs if we know what to do....

Then someone could be right with DSP control or like me with my homemade devices...It is useless to argue for one and denigrate the others...

The more important truth is elementary science is enough....at low costs...

i develop at no cost my own way to control mechanical,electrical,and acoustical embeddings of the system... The most powerful being Helmholtz method... is it better than DSP ? No...

But it cost me NOTHING and it is so good all my 7 headphones sleep forever in a drawer...

The truth of one sometimes dont contradict the truth of another because the world of possible experiences is so vast it can accomodate many perspectives...

 

Let me give you my take on this. I will even state that I think most tweaks are ludicrous.

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