Introspective of this forum: "Does the Audiophile Community Have a Promlem?" I Say yes!!!


This article is so insightful to this forum and the toxicity in the community. (My Opinion)

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?

I know I have contributed to the toxicity here and will try to be a better citizen. Hopefully some will read this and see they are part of the problem (LOL)

Some will not and continue to play their roll as the Toxic Avenger.

https://www.ecoustics.com/articles/audiophile-community-problem/

 

There is a particular board on a specific forum that was hidden from the outside world because of how horrible it was. Where personal politics and racism was the norm 24-7 and one member even committed suicide after months of abuse. We watched him fight with other members on a daily basis and get a lot of heat back. He was fine most of the time when dealing with him on a individual basis but then he descended into some really horrible commentaries about race and certain countries and he went down the rabbit hole into some dark places.

Websites like ASR hold zero interest for me because a lot of the users are just there to be “right” and make others feel very small because their views don’t align with certain points of view.

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Great thread !

I discovered myself the hard way that "subjectivist" and objectivist" cults are mirrorring the complete ignorance of psycho-acoustic and ignorance of the way to embed each piece of gear optimally...

We dont listen good sound because it is measured before with the right set of tools , or because our ears say so...The correlation between  the two are necessary....

We listen good sound because we have put in place the optimal acoustic and psycho-acoustic conditions , eliminating vibrations and decreasing the noise floor...

 

Yes @mahgister I agree and those (I was one) who live by measurements may never know what music really sounds like.

This a journey and what works for you may not work for me in my listening environment.

Online forums like Audio Science Review and Facebook groups have decayed into battlegrounds between objectivists, subjectivists, cable lovers, cable haters, and those who are obsessed with measurements and feel a lot of power telling others who think their own listening experiences are what truly matters, that they are morons and fools.

A lot of these “measurement” cults don’t actually listen to the equipment they test and shred online and feel quite confident telling the acoustic and electrical engineers who design hi-fi products that they are frauds and only they are qualified to tell audiophiles what is good.

Could you imagine going on a Porsche forum and telling someone from that company that they don’t know how to design a proper engine; and that prospective customers should listen to you versus them? Because you know better from some tests an amateur posted on a forum.

It’s laughable on a good day and rather sad behavior.

A reasonable person would infer that the particular board described in the provided quote that was hidden from the outside world was one of the AudioScienceReview forums.  And that the narrative provided happened on this ASR forum.

How am I going so far?  Is this the truth of the matter that is asserted?.

 

I can't speak for anyone on this forum except myself.

Do I have problems?  Yes I do.

And I also have a system where I can play Jay-Z's "99 Problems" and feel a little bit better because of music.  And I can play many other songs since I have a streamer; so at least there's that.

I also acknowledge it's my choice to read and/or post on this forum.

Funny seeing FB mentioned with ASR. Because I am very active on the Tekton Owner's Group on FB and have seen nothing like this.

Within the first few months someone said hey Miller you are nice here not like on the other forum what is the deal? The deal is no one attacks me on FB. That simple. 

Jordan Peterson has a saying, "Go clean your room." Way more deep than it sounds. Society is so complex no one knows or even can know what is best for us all. We do however know very well what we should do. So go do those things, and not tell everyone else what to do. Go clean your room.

Just to give some idea how deep this goes, the word sin was mentioned. The word sin derives from an ancient language term of archery that means to miss the mark. Think about that. To miss the mark. 

Now if you've ever fired an arrow, or a gun, or thrown a ball, anything like that, you know "the mark" is wherever you intended it to go. Really, when it comes down to it, only you know that. Not some third party. To sin is not to do what someone else told you to do. To sin is not even to do what someone else told you was bad to do. To sin is to do what you yourself know is wrong.

None of us ever does as well as we would like. We all miss the mark. We are all sinners. Not just audiophiles.