Turntable upgrade recommendations: SME vs AMG vs Technics vs other


I've recently upgraded most of my system, but I still have a Rega P8, with Linn Krystal cartridge, which I like, but I've heard that there may be better options.

I have Sound Lab electrostatic speakers, Ypsilon Hyperior amplifiers, an Ypsilon PST-100 Mk2 pre-amplifier, and am thinking about an Ypsilon phono stage to match with my system, and a turntable/cartridge.  I listen to almost entirely classical, acoustic music. 

Based on my very limited knowledge, and simple research, I've been looking at three brands, each of which is a different type of turntable: SME (suspension), AMG (mass), and Technics (direct drive).  
What are the advantages and disadvantages of the different types of turntables, and of those in particular?

Thanks.   

drbond

+1 for Raul reminding you guys that the cartridge per se does not have the job of conforming or not conforming to RIAA; it's obviously the combined effort of the recording engineer who applies the RIAA correction to the signal on the LP and then of the phono stage, which has to produce a flat frequency response by applying "reverse" RIAA.

 

If you read Peter Ledermann's statement and sentiments regarding RIAA and his strain gauge design, you will see that he recognizes there will be some lack of accuracy in exact conformation to RIAA, because he tells us that he did not put any corrective filtering into his downstream electronics, as apparently was done for some of the earlier strain gauge designs. That was his philosophical choice, because he feels that the filters do more harm than good.  Anyone who is interested in the SG cartridge should listen first and then decide whether he or she likes the end result.  In my opinion, there is no right or wrong here.

I get that the strain gauge type makes signal voltage in response to displacement of the stylus, rather than to velocity of the stylus.  The RIAA pre-emphasis involves attenuating the bass response up to about 500Hz, with a 6db/octave slope.  Then the frequency response is flat from 500 to about 2kHz.  Then there is attenuation of the signal voltage from 2kHz and up with the same slope.  All of our LPs have this deliberate RIAA frequency imbalance built into them. Putting these two bits of information together, I guess that SG cartridges must inherently make most signal voltage at low frequencies, the opposite of what happens with MM, MI, and MC cartridges, and that voltage then goes down as frequency goes up from bass to treble, in an approximate 6db/octave slope. In other words, the SG cartridges inherently correct for RIAA but apparently with some error with respect to the formal RIAA curve.  One region where there would be error is that plateau between 500Hz and 2kHz; I expect the SG cartridge does not respect that flat area of the RIAA curve.  Its response would just sail through that region rising at 6db/octave. So if one heard a "problem", I would not be surprised if it is in the midrange.  But also, if the slope of the response of an SG cartridge from low bass to extreme treble deviates from 6db/octave, that too could result in an apparent RIAA error.  Raul and PL had a vigorous discussion of these issues, I think to be found on the famous MM cartridge thread started by Raul.  I agree with whoever said that one ought to judge the results for onesself. It would be interesting to commpare the SS version of SG with one of the older designs that did incorporate RIAA correction filters in the downstream black box.

@cleeds  : You are argumentative because more than enhance our knowledge levels you want to " win ".

 

Who asked by digital/computer alternative? just argumentative.

 

In the other side I already listen the SG cartridge at least 3 times in 3 different systems and at least in two room/systems where you can only dream its very high quality performance levels.

 

Now, do you want to " win " ? I can help you: agree with you, you are rigth. Satisfied?  Useless and futile to follow about.

 

R.

Guys, everyone has a valid point here. No, the Strain gauge does not reverse the RIAA curve as accurately as a good phono stage. But, it is capable of very good reproduction. In particular it's transient response is excellent so it's reproduction of percussion is first class. The sound it produces is more sharply etched, not as warm as some would like. If it has a major failing it is tracking ability. It can not hold on to the groove at higher velocities. It may miss track on highly modulated passages. It's distortion levels are also a bit higher than the best moving coil cartridges. 

Having gone through a lot of reviews lately I have noticed that Lyra and Ortofon cartridges consistently perform at the top in terms of distortion levels and tracking ability. I have always liked the Lyra Atlas and the SL version would work super with a transimpedance phono stage. For myself I have narrowed it down to three cartridges, the Atlas SL, the MSL Signature Platinum and the Ortofon Versimo. 

@drbond , If you fain interest in a $10,000 piece they will jump to attention. I am with you on VPI. Not my cup of tea.

@rauliruegas, Last night I purchased a newly remastered for digital copy of The Band's Cahoots in 24/96. It is easily the best version of that album I have ever heard. The sound stage definition is much better than my original vinyl copy. The reason it sounds so much better is probably not the format but the mastering. Another issue I am noticing frequently is on more recordings than not the space in between instruments and voices is quieter. Some would say "blacker" but, they really mean quieter. With analog playback there is more ...fuzziness around the edges of many recordings. On the other hand many of the older records were mastered on substandard systems resulting in amplitude and sound stage errors when played back on a good system. When that happens it is easy for the remasters to shine.