Anyone try modern 6sn7 Shuguang WE type vs NOS RCA,Ken Rad


I just bought a KT-88 amp that uses 6sn7’s and the matching preamp uses the 6sn7 tube also. It came with kt88 Shuguang WE plus and all 6sn7’s in the amp and preamp both came with the same Shuguang WE plus.
 

I have a huge stash of old 6sn7’s Ken Rads vt231, gray glass rca, Sylvania vt231 and many others. I am going to pull them out this week and see what these new production tubes can do.

 

I’ve never used new production signal tubes. To be honest the Shuguang sound pretty good but have never compared them to anything. 

 

What are your views on these new tubes are they even close or as good or even better? Are they cheap and will go up in smoke, thanks for any insight.

paulcreed

@invalid You must have read my post wrong, I acknowledged that the nos mullard’s are not drop in replacements, but the shuguang CV 181’s are, as they are not the same as the Mullard cv181’s. I have no idea why shuguang labeled them this way.

OK, I’ll make bold the bit that seems to be invisible. 900mA is 50% more current draw than a 6SN7. This is known and accepted, and poses a risk to your amplifier. edit - of course, ask your amp manufacturer if CV181z are compatible with it. If so, all is well - this may very well be the situation.

So -

One - The Shung tubes are clearly marked as CV181z. This is not in doubt.

Two - Being a reviewer and something of a shill, I trust that he had access to the spec sheet.  Evidence of this is that he rates the CV181z as 900mA, not 950mA which is the Mullard specs.  He is not merely guessing.

Three - He also repeats words to this effect elsewhere and also in a follow up review some years later, so its no typo.

Four - that the CV181z does sound better (brighter, more lively etc) than any 6SN7 is corroborative evidence that it is rated higher. An EE may be able to confirm this.

So people, unless you have evidence to the contrary which I will happily bookmark, this stands as reference in the meantime.

Failing this, it is not a 6SN7 and it is negligent of the manufacturer to market this as a 6SN7.

This is why the CV181Z might not be a drop in replacement for the 6SN7. Typical 6SN7 heaters draw about 0.6A and the CV181z draws about 0.9A (900mA), the old Mullard CV181 drew 950mA. This 50% increase in heater current amounts to 0.6A for a pair of CV181 in a circuit, which as you can see represents the load of a whole extra double triode.

Surely someone here who has bought the Shung CV181z can obtain a spec sheet from the manufacturer to confirm or refute the reviewers words?

This would clear up any issues and I’d be happy to shut up and buy some should they be 600mA.

Easy. If not, why not? These tubes have been manufactured for at least a decade.

 

I’m not good with audiophile words but the Shuguang is clean, transparent, fast, kind of like the focus has been adjusted correctly on a lens. I think it’s very well balanced, neutral with nice air nice bass. Very musical tube while still being transparent 

Great description, Paul. This seems promising for my preferences in tube playback; clean, transparent, focused, musical.

 

This would clear up any issues and I’d be happy to shut up and buy some should they be 600mA

 

They are 600ma, the only thing you have to be concerned with is if your tube sockets are to close together they might not fit as the glass envelope is much larger than the 6sn7.