Is Rap a valid musical form?


This has been way more than the progression away from tubes to SS!

Believe the world of Hip Hop has been around and evolving for around 5 decades.

And for most of that time I have dismissed and avoided that world and its “music”.

So angry, offensive and abrasive. Just a bunch of rhythmic yelling.

I believe my former thread was titled “Why Rap?”.  Through that discussion and somewhat of an understanding that this must be a new art form that engages and entertains millions if not billions. That and a long standing belief that if a type of music or a particular artist attracts many, many fans there must be substance and quality there. Even if I personally don’t particularly like it there must be something there.

Rap and the Hip Hop world was always so foreign and culturally untouchable.

Then my Rap thread and several others at that time got me rethinking my perspective and I watched a video of a group of student performance musicians at Juilliard all exclaiming their fascination with a Rap artist named Kendrick Lemar and his “masterpiece” “To Pimp a Butterfly”. I bought the double LP. Trying to listen to it turned out to be difficult because of my old view of Rap and that of the world of Hip Hop. But it was also becoming clear that this was truly something of significant interest. However, I just listened to the two discs only once-with some difficulty.

Today, after several weeks, I hesitatingly pulled the album out again. And to my surprise and actually delight hearing it with fresh ears it grabbed me and would not let go. I immediately heard the brilliance of a multi faceted, and to me, all new experience in sound. Not unlike great 20th century or progressive Jazz it evolved from section to section with a plethora of fascinating, yes musical, experiences. Tonal, atonal, percussive, rhythmic, breathing combined with incredible, energetic tongue twisting strings of mostly unintelligible words. And not merely angry yelling.

Sure, a ton of F bombs but words that don’t flow over you like lovely other genres but invade the psyche and don’t let go. Not particularly pleasant but gripping and interesting in its complexity. Words delivered with such power and drive which acted as a rhythmic counterpoint. It was impossible to turn away or turn off. 
And speaking of turned off, the experience was the opposite of that. Stories of life undeniable human. Yes, driven by bitterness, anger and raw emotion. Impossible to  dismiss it as not deeply felt.

I do think “To Pimp a Butterfly” is unique. But I also believe that there must be much more in this Hip Hop world that has deep musical interest. Some time ago I heard Drake on SNL perform a song that was amazing though not really Rap. Rather an advanced and unconventional musical form. I hear similar musical threads throughout “Pimp”. I did get a CD of Drake. “Scorpion”. I also could not absorb it in my first listen. I look forward to the next, fresh listen. I did try to hear several YouTubes of some very successful Rap artists. They mostly lacked the interesting musical themes threaded through. “Pure Rap” with just the rhythmic words-not my cup of tea. But a musically valid form none the less.

 

 

mglik

This list turned out to be not very "musical" and therefore not very listenable.

  • Slick Rick - The Great Adventures Of Slick Rick (Children's Story is a masterpiece)
  • NAS - Illmatic
  • Outkast - Stankonia
  • Beastie Boys - Licensed to Ill

The Kanye, Jay Z, Ludicrus, Missy Eliot, etc are full of musical themes and counterpoint rap that make them interesting.

"Without sounding like I am beating a dead horse, though, my only complaint with rap is of a musical nature. For the most part, it is too simple, poorly played, repetitive, musically trite for my tastes.

The problem I see, for my tastes, is if there ever was a subgenre of rap that fit my criteria for the music I like (high level of musicianship, complexity, nonrepetitive, deep and broad emotional and intellectual content, it would probably not even be identifiable as rap any longer."

No longer identifiable as Rap any longer? I do think the genre is pretty broad. Some cuts are actually sung!

IMHO - Rap sounds better with a philharmonic orchestra playing the music.

https://youtu.be/Uyc0Lnxf95M

That Hilltop Hoods album with the orchestra they did years ago was quite good, and yeah they cover more social issues than most other rappers do.
This Bliss n Eso song is a little more my scene though now.

@avsjerry - Born Slippy, Faithless and many others, I grew up to those tunes.
 


 

 

@dabel , *rotflmao* and nearly having a 'Depends Descent'....

It's best that he's cool with his...'option'.  Just think, you can rent it out...but it'd better stand up for whatever it's applied into...or on.....by...

Lloyd's of London is your first call after the.....'discovery.'  Ought to be the first thing (...well, perhaps, the Second) to do with the thing....

Funny that you mention such, but it's an 'adult audience' and everyone's' home from church....🙄....or whatever they've 'been up to...' "😏"

To totally derail this thread (Rap? Yes and No co-exist; another cosmic leap. *S*):

I actually found the Very Same Item 'Our...Hero?....ehh) found next to a burnt-out toaster oven.
The one I discovered was hanging by its' cord from a tree in the dog relief area of the complex we were living in.
Imagine my surprise.  "Pennies from Heaven", but this?

Very tempted to put signs out nearby:

Found! 😜

One large purple
'personal item"
No questions asked.
Batteries not found
nor included
281-xxx-xxxx

(The Brain Police may confiscate the previous....read fast....)

@holmz , I totally agree, frankly.  Rap began before the name was made, but it hasn't really interfered with its' evolution(s).  Hilltop Hoods is an excellent example of where the arguments of artistry dissolve....

Sung to the beat, string quartet intro....what's not to love? ;)

Just trying to keep the neurons amused and the onboard pump doing its' own rhythm....

 

@asvjerry there are not many groups that do the rap songs about retired (pensioners) protecting pole dancers… like the example I posted earlier.

@rixthetrick that esso is good,.. ta