''Óriginal parts'', ''identity '' and ''retip'' conundrum


The ''identity enigma'' is easy to explain with ''ownership''. Not everyone is familiar with logic or philosophy but everyone owns something or other.

Ownership assume ''one to one relation'' between an person (legal

bodies included) and one object of ownership. Think of question how

you can prove to own some object. You can also think about question

how to prove to be owner of, say an part of your stolen car.

What the ''force'' of the expression ''original'' is , is an enigma.

However Americans are typical example of   people who are very

fond of ''original parts'' and willing to pay huge amount of money

for the ''precious'' (grin). By the so called ''retips'' the assumption

is also ''original'' versus ''not original parts''. This means that 

every manufacturer as well ''retiper'' uses his own styli and or

cantilevers. The fact however is that they all buy those ''parts''

by either by Namiki or Ogura. So, logicaly speaking, the origin

of those ''parts'' are either Namiki or Ogura. Is gluing an cantilever/

stylus combo in the ''joint pipe'' rocket science?

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@jcarr 

           Thank you for your input and making it known that the Lyra Cartridge Brand are able to make the parts selected from the time of the design and final production of their models available to be used on returned Cartridges for a very long period following the Models release.

It is quite comforting to know that if a used Lyra was purchased by myself, it can be returned to a function that will be very closely or even a match to the model when purchased new.

In relation to the 'Ceralloy' used on the earlier designs from the Lyra Company, would Lyra offer a rebuild of a Cartridge from this era, to be offered to a customer where a 'equivalent ' Cartridge will be the proposal for the outcome of the rebuild and where a technicians assessment of the alternative parts to be used would qualify the term 'equivalent ' as being the correct description ?

If the Rebuild did take place, would the end product produced, become a bespoke version of the model with the 'Ceralloy' material used in the design ?

From my end, I would not have any concerns about the Bespoke Design produced, my experience has shown this outcome can be very advantageous to the end user.        

 

There are many stories about hunters. This one come from my native

Serbia. Two friends are hunting not unicorns but everything in existence

which is eatable. BTW Serbians are known as very pigheaded. I left

because  one more would be unbearable One of the two pointed out

to the hill and stated: ''look there an wild goat'', The other: ''man you

must be blind, you should consult an optician. It is an an eagle !''  So

the ''arguments pro and contra'' continued till the  object  in casu'' started

to fly. ''Aha, see you an eagle''! The other: ''still an goat''. 

Some may recognise the argument by our beloved Dover: ''still rebuild''.

After 3 x in succession worn out stylus of  his  precious Dyna 17 still

rebuild while anybody can ask the question why rebuild of, say, generator,

damper, coil, joint pipe and cantilever while ONLY THE STYLUS needs

replacement???  And replacement of ''stylus only'' is called in usual

parlance RETIP. 

 

I am a Serb and I have never heard your "joke".

Your comment about Serbs may be offensive.

Rade

As a customer, the level of service accepted by an individual is their choice.

If one wants an inspection carried out of the Styli from an experienced technician that is fine, if the assessment claims the Styli is Good for a extended usage, then the customer decides how they want their Cartridge returned, in a condition that will support an extended use, or while its on the Work Bench, supply a new styli with a full life ahead of it. 

Obviously if the Styli is spent a suggestion of a further inspection of the Cartridges overall suggestion might be the inspection method proposed by the technician.

Again what ever decisions the customer is to make will be theirs only, as it is their money to be parted with.

What really matters is how much the technician knows about the Cartridge being inspected and how much the technicians assessment is trusted by the customer.

If the aim is to have a particular Cartridge produced through additional works undertaken, that will be a working model that is a accurate mimic of the supplied donor Cartridge, it seems to myself that it is quite important for the technician to be familiar with the New Version of the Donor Cartridge.

If the aim is to receive a returned Cartridge that is a functioning model with a long user life in front of it, then the workmanship of the technician, it seems to myself, that having a trust in the engineers work and selections of parts will be the important factor.

Foor the latter there are known services that can offer this with little concerns raised for the service to be received.

The former is looking most likely that the person with a full understanding of the Cartridge is a harder individual to find, especially with the knowledge of the Cartridge with a low hours nearly new model.

J Carr has made himself known as being a candidate that is with the capability to  achieve this with the Lyra Brand Products.           

mijostyn, for ''word hairspplitter' the right forum is about dictionary. There

you can find any knowledge you like.