''Óriginal parts'', ''identity '' and ''retip'' conundrum


The ''identity enigma'' is easy to explain with ''ownership''. Not everyone is familiar with logic or philosophy but everyone owns something or other.

Ownership assume ''one to one relation'' between an person (legal

bodies included) and one object of ownership. Think of question how

you can prove to own some object. You can also think about question

how to prove to be owner of, say an part of your stolen car.

What the ''force'' of the expression ''original'' is , is an enigma.

However Americans are typical example of   people who are very

fond of ''original parts'' and willing to pay huge amount of money

for the ''precious'' (grin). By the so called ''retips'' the assumption

is also ''original'' versus ''not original parts''. This means that 

every manufacturer as well ''retiper'' uses his own styli and or

cantilevers. The fact however is that they all buy those ''parts''

by either by Namiki or Ogura. So, logicaly speaking, the origin

of those ''parts'' are either Namiki or Ogura. Is gluing an cantilever/

stylus combo in the ''joint pipe'' rocket science?

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As a customer, the level of service accepted by an individual is their choice.

If one wants an inspection carried out of the Styli from an experienced technician that is fine, if the assessment claims the Styli is Good for a extended usage, then the customer decides how they want their Cartridge returned, in a condition that will support an extended use, or while its on the Work Bench, supply a new styli with a full life ahead of it. 

Obviously if the Styli is spent a suggestion of a further inspection of the Cartridges overall suggestion might be the inspection method proposed by the technician.

Again what ever decisions the customer is to make will be theirs only, as it is their money to be parted with.

What really matters is how much the technician knows about the Cartridge being inspected and how much the technicians assessment is trusted by the customer.

If the aim is to have a particular Cartridge produced through additional works undertaken, that will be a working model that is a accurate mimic of the supplied donor Cartridge, it seems to myself that it is quite important for the technician to be familiar with the New Version of the Donor Cartridge.

If the aim is to receive a returned Cartridge that is a functioning model with a long user life in front of it, then the workmanship of the technician, it seems to myself, that having a trust in the engineers work and selections of parts will be the important factor.

Foor the latter there are known services that can offer this with little concerns raised for the service to be received.

The former is looking most likely that the person with a full understanding of the Cartridge is a harder individual to find, especially with the knowledge of the Cartridge with a low hours nearly new model.

J Carr has made himself known as being a candidate that is with the capability to  achieve this with the Lyra Brand Products.           

mijostyn, for ''word hairspplitter' the right forum is about dictionary. There

you can find any knowledge you like.

Rade, Jokes should be not interpreted very seriously or literal.  Besides

the fact that you have never heard this joke does not mean that there is

no such joke in Serbia. I am probably much older Serbian than you are

and as such know many more jokes than you. 

Dear JCarr, As I mentioned in my answer to pindac in the context of

''rules and exceptions''  the ordinary meaning of ''generalisation'' is

''not all x are such and such because there are exceptions.. Alas

logical interpretation of quantors ''all '' and ''some'' is different:

''for all x F& Gx '' means that if there is one exception the statement is

                            not true''

While for ''some x Fx&Gx  is true if there is  at least one x which satisfy

                             conditions F&G.

Alas quantor ''most'' has no logical interpretation. So we have no other

option than use ''most'' as in ordinary language or by ''medical use''.

Say ''smoking causes in most cases cancer'' instead ''smoking causes

cancer''. I am am exception while there are people who have never

smoked and despite of this fact were killed by long cancer..

In ''your case''' Lyra is exception regarding use of styli and cantilevers

because Lyra is able to provide Ogura with boron as well order specific

styli for its cartridge. One other question is why Lyra is capable  to

provide boron to Ogura instead of ''other way round''? My guess is

because of monopoly position and the fact that sapphire is much

cheaper. If I remember well you explained to me and others cantilevers

differences years ago. Aluminium kind has the advantage that the

stylus can be pressure fitted while other have other advantages, +

that you deed not like ''the sound of sapphire''' (grin).

 

 

 

While I was fighting against the ''myth'' or ''original parts'' I am now

confronted with an compatriot from Serbia as well an Kantian of

''free will'' an ''consumer free choice'' by decisions to either use

''retip'' or ''rebuild'' or ''refreshment'' choice . Not to mention the

choice to buy, say, 18 K for an Koetsu with diamond cantilever.

Now consider my compatriot . The average income in Serbia is

500 euro. This means that there lower incomes. Well our pindac

should explain how one person with such income can pay, say , retip 

with boron cantilever and micro ridge stylus for 600 euro? Not to

mention ''rebuild'' or ''refreshment choice'' which are totally unknown

reg, the cost because even Dover refused to state what his  3 x' rebuild

cost was. So my contribution about ''meaning'' and ''reference'' was 

totally ''fruitless''. The connection with reality is totally lost.