True or False?
The following is a common sentiment from some who claim to be audiophiles.
If you hear something but can’t measure it, you only think you heard a difference.
This notion is also common among people who claim to possess an accomplished understanding of audio, especially when achieving a high level of performance for a minimal investment.
So who’s right? On the one hand we have Objectivists who claim if you can’t measure it, you can’t possibly hear it or if you do, its expectation bias and self delusion. Are these people correct? Do they get as good as a sound, or better for far less money by ignoring cables, power cords, mechanical isolation, basically any accessory that many have found to dramatically improve performance despite a lack measurements? Do those who dismiss expensive digital to analog converters as being no better than rather common digital components with decent measurements get just as high a performance level as those of us with MSB and DCS? Do people who claim it’s all about finding perfect speaker placement, do these people outperform those of us with systems that cost multiples more than what they pay (Who also pay close attention to speaker placement as well as everything else)? Or do those of us who pay attention to cables— digital, analog, and power, what we set our components on top of, how we place our speakers, acoustics, and tweaks, expensive DACs and the like, do we get better sound? Who’s right? And how do we ultimately determine sound quality?
This term "flat earthers" I’ve seen here sometimes and it confuses me. I have questioned it in the past and received a less that satisfactory response from a @carolkong (??) shill who no longer seems to be registered. Supposed to refer to those who seek measurements and scientific observation? Explain this from a position of common sense. I will continue asking this until logic prevails. |
I’m totally opposite i only buy from a repeatable brand The equipments must looks gorgeous because my decision to buy any equipment is base on looks I have SimAudio moon Evolution W7 Parasound JC5, A21+ and Classé Audio CA-2300 all this amps almost sounds alike with my speakers just little tiny differences so the good looking ones will always stay I never ever care about measurements fancy cables fuses and more oh I buy my fancy cables from AliExpress just for looks I believe in 2022 any DAC/ preamp must have good looking screen 📺 at least 4 inches square to show album artwork 🖼 until then I’m going to stick with my cocktail audio x45/ Cambridge Azur 851N |
@ted_denney - I am skeptical about the “pure objectivist” measurement folks. While measurements obviously cover *a lot*, those assertions assume that we are measuring the right things, and that we’ve discovered everything worth measuring. Hearing, signal reproduction etc. seem like complicated topics to me, and that we will learn more over time (I have equal skepticism about a pure subjectivist approach - orthodoxy in any form just assumes too much knowledge, and I my bias is towards engineering, logic and measurable advances) I like the long-form videos done by Audioholics. They are mostly “objectivists”, and I enjoy their explanations of the principles at work behind what they see in measurements. And they do a lot of work to go beyond “basic measurements” to illuminate how those can have real shortcomings. They are also willing to acknowledge that sometimes things just sound good (or bad) no matter how they measure. A more thoughtful and humble approach, I think (and there is something to be learned even watching people from extreme ends of the range - just requires a bit of skepticism while doing so - and I like understanding what different people hear when they listen, as there is plenty to be learned from that) Have a great day, everyone! @asvjerry +1 @cat_doorman + 1 |
Maybe if something sounds “better” but doesn’t measure better, you’re measuring the wrong things???
Anyone with any experience with tube equipment knows this. A good 50 watt tube amp will very likely “measure” higher distortion in several parameters than a $1000 receiver but will also very likely sound MUCH better than it!
Why? There’s way more to musical reproduction than simple measurements. |
