High End Intergraded comparisons, Marantz, McIntosh, Levinson, Luxman....


Ive been trying to listen to higher end integrated amps but its not easy. 

Im looking for owners comparisons. 

 

I had a Marantz PM-KI Ruby that replaced lots of low powered SET gear with high efficient speakers im no longer using. 

I settled on a nice old pair of KEF Reference Model Fours from about 1999-2000. They are very hungry speakers. Very revealing. 

The Marantz Ruby was rather nice in all ways. 

Im trying a marantz PM-10s1 and although i was expecting a Bigger Better Ruby it turned out to be much more than that. I also got it for about 35% off list so it dramatically lowered the price point compared to competitive brands and products. 

I dont really want any DAC in the box. I actually wanted a good phono stage. Id buy a unit with a DAC but I wont be using it and I Do need a phono stage for a Rega with a AT OC9 MC cart. Limits choices based on additional costs. 

The PM-10 has a Much larger soundstage. Larger and tighter focused images. Wide, Tall and Deep. Much more detail and inner detail. Crystal clear presentation. Very tight and deep bass. Punch and slam. Very life-like presentation of instruments and vocals. Not necessarily bright but extended. Im rather happy but also very surprised. 

I feel maybe I should be exploring some other Integrated amps before settling in on this PM-10. Not easy. They cost allot to ship, return. 

The McIntosh MA7900 is an option but its more money than I spent and im not sure how it compares to the Marantz PM-10. Many say they are very similar in sound character. 

The Mark Levinson 5805 is also a bit more money and is said to be more so detailed and brighter. Is that true? Ive read the PM-10 is smoother and richer. I dont want any more detail or brightness. 

The Hegel 390 and MF MX8 lack phono which drives up the cost for me. Im not sure of their character in comparison to a McIntosh or Marantz. 

The Luxman seems to be one to try, the 507uxii but it has much lower power and some say its rather bright with a bass boom. 

 

Appreciate peoples comments based on what you've heard. 

 

steviet

You really can’t beat the PM10.  That’s an heirloom quality piece.   I’d love to have one someday.     However, I’m surprised that you prefer the phono stage in the 10 over the Ruby.   When I had the PM11, I used an outboard phono stage.   With the Ruby, I don’t bother.  I’ve A/B’ed it against my Chinook and my Rega Aria.   It just wasn’t worth the lost convenience.  I stuck with the Ken Ishiwata designed phono stage in the Ruby.  

The grass isn't always greener......

Your description of the Marantz could pass for quite the endorsement. Don't rush into anything and see how the Marantz ages. You may end up keeping it.

All the best,
Nonoise

Mola Mola, ASR, Geman Physiks, Gryphon and Audionet make great integrated amps.

I believe the Luxman you may want is the 590AXii.  It’s described as the warmer and more tube like of the integrateds from Luxman.  

You can’t go wrong with the Hegel H390. It really is one of the best out there. It just works. Has a DAC, but yes, no phono stage. I am currently doing my own shoot out between a Gryphon Diablo 120 and Hegel H590. Not sure just yet which one wins. Both are really, really good. But they are different. Just not sure which different is the one… you do need try to demo in your room/space. It is almost impossible to determine what any amp will sound like or be preferred, without it being in your room with your speakers. Have fun with your search!