Fascinated By GR Research Channel


Lately I've watched a number of the videos on GR Research's youtube channel and been very intrigued. If you aren't familiar with them, they design and sell some speakers, but most of their business is DIY speaker kits, and doing upgrades on customer's speakers. In the videos, they show how they measure the performance characteristics of speakers sent in and then explain the thought process and methodology of choosing improvements. 

If nothing else, anyone wanting to better understand the technical section of reviews (e.g. John Atkinson's in Stereophile), would likely learn something watching.

Another interesting aspect of these videos is the clear untangling of various manufacturers' choices in balancing cost for performance and the sonic impact of various compromises. 

Get your popcorn and check it out. 

I'm also curious to hear of your experiences with any of their kits or products and if your findings match their messaging. I've always understood that better parts quality will improve sonics, but this channel demonstrates exactly how with great clarity...fascinating! Cheers,

Spencer 

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I don't know what specifically motivated these postings, but here is a three-part series by Alan Shaw on this very topic, posted November 8-9 of 2021.

 

The essence of good engineering is cost management. That is to say it is bad design - hence poor engineering - to add a single cent to the cost of a product when a cheaper solution would provide exactly the same user experience, possibly last longer and perform more reliably and use less natural resources. To add needless cost deprives the manufacturer of income that could be usefully directed to R&D and the long term sustainability of the business.

And so this maxim must apply to loudspeakers. It must be good engineering practice for the designer to periodically take a hard look at the selection of components used in, for example, a loudspeaker crossover and to ask four questions:
 

1. Can I save cost in this design by using alternative component technology?​

2. Can I improve the audible or measurable performance of the product if I use alternative component technologies?​

3. Should I add cost to the product for purely marketing reasons i.e. to make the parts look more sexy, to create the illusion in the non-technical consumer's mind of enhanced pride of ownership (even though there is absolutely no technical or sonic benefit)? You can call this 'go-faster stripes'.​

4. Is the selection of these components future proof, are they durable and are they the best use of natural resources?​

So, let's consider the selection of the type of capacitor technology; there are two competing capacitor families available to use in loudspeaker crossovers: wet and dry capacitors.

First, wet (electrolytic) capacitors. These are axial (cylinders with wires out of opposite ends) and are widely used in loudspeaker crossovers, typically having blue, green red or black printed film over their shiny, tubular metal cans. As you might expect, if you cut these open (or they leak) your fingers will be covered in a goo jell. Here are examples:
 

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As for dry-film capacitors, there are some package (case) options. Cut these open and the interior working part is completely dry:
 

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Above we see an orange cased dipped radial (wires come out of the bottom) capacitor, a plastic-box radial capacitor and a cylindrical axial type - all three are dry-film.

So, the crossover design commences and the designer has to ask himself and resolve certain key issues:

  • Does he have any fundamental likes or dislikes amongst these two primary types of capacitors?
  • Does he have any negative experience such as premature failure or short working life that could impact on product Warranty?
  • What about cost and availability?
  • What about capacitance and case size tolerance - is off the shelf ±10% acceptable in the final product?
  • How much board area is available for capacitors? Would the tighter packaged (thin, tall) cases of the radial types use less board area than the cylindrical types?
  • What do the manufacturer's data sheets specify for working voltage, temperature, current, leakage and life expectancy?
  • Does he have some emotional attachment to one type over another?
  • Does he believe that one type sounds better or measures better than another? What is the evidence? Anecdotal or personal experience under controlled conditions?
  • Does he actually care about the nuances of capacitor technology at mere audio frequencies?
  • Is it likely that the International Space Station would use such a type given the extreme dependence on reliability?
  • Is his engineering driven by market fancies?

and so on.

If you disassemble these capacitor families, you will find this. Everything you could ever want to know about capacitors, here, empowering the circuit designer to select the optimum type for his circuit. Remember: what may be a good choice of capacitor family for use in a laptop or mobile phone, may be the opposite of the best choice for a loudspeaker.

 

Now we can turn to look at inductors (soils, chokes) as would be used in a loudspeaker crossover.

Again, here the designer has some choices available to him. First, here are two air cored inductors. Air cored simply means that the windings have been made around an invisible tube, which has been withdrawn from the centre leaving a stack of free-standing copper wire. Sometimes, to neaten the stack and stop it toppling over, a non-magnetic plastic bobbin is used, but that would have absolutely no effect on the coil's electrical properties:
 

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Inductance, measured in milli Henries is proportional not to the thickness of the copper wire, but to the number of turns of wire around the central core regardless of which layer of the winding it is on so if you want a high value inductance, you will need more turns than if you need a smaller inductance.

In practical terms, a point is reached - the above pictures hint at this - where the number of turns has resulted in a tall stack of enamel insulated copper that is barely strong enough to support itself, and that sets a practical limit on how big an air core crossover coil can be in a loudspeaker application. It's no joke to imagine that if the crossover designer needs a high value air-cored inductor, the inductor itself might fill the entire speaker enclosure!

So a method was needed to 'boost' the magnetising efficiency of turns of copper wire - a magnetic material is put into the core previously occupied by ordinary air and wow! Really high values of inductance are now possible with relatively few turns, and much less copper .... and probably less DC reistance too ....

Here is a winding into which a ferrite material has been slid into the core:
 

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Another type is a bobbin core, where the bobbin is magnetically conductive (unlike the plastic bobbin shown in the air core above):
 

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and here are very typical iron dust or ferrite-cored coils as used in loudspeaker crossovers:
 

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Now we should be able to recognise capacitor and inductors on a loudspeaker crossover (network) board:

Here from an internet image search we can see air-cored coils and dry film capacitors (and a fuse):
 

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Here we can see an air cored inductor and two wet-film electrolytic capacitors:

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And here is a combination circuit with a steel-cored coil (top left), an air-cored coil (middle) and electrolytic capacitors (red) alongside dry-film capacitors (yellow).
 

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It's the designer ability to mix and match components that gives him the power to shape the loudspeaker sound just as he wishes. There is no universal best solution, and a consumer mantra that states that 'all capacitors should be polypropylene' or that 'all inductors should be air core' is just ignorant of engineering reality and demonstrates an emotional response to an engineering matter.

 

So what are the preferences and choices that we have made at Harbeth in our crossover designs?

The first point is ’cost is no constraint’. That means that as far as we are concerned at Harbeth - although I know for certain that competitors work to rigid cost ceilings and this limits the type and numbers of components that their crossovers can have - we will add components and complexity to achieve, in combination with the shape of the cabinet and the characteristics of the drive units, the smoothest measurable frequency response. If that can be achieved with two components great, but that’s a fantasy. If it takes twenty, so be it: we suffer the cost, size and assembly time for the improved performance.

It must be obvious that $10 on material cost is $10 off profit so for a manufacturer to add to the cost of his product, the benefit of improved performance must outweigh the additional cost, and may be reflected in a higher selling price which the delighted consumer is willing to pay for.

The second point is appropriateness to task. Given the power handling of the woofer and tweeter being the defining power limitations in the complete speaker, we can work backwards to selecting appropriately rated crossover components.

 

A lot of good points were made in the responses to your question about Danny's company.  It's interesting to find out that those $4000.00 a pair Revel speakers have less than twenty bucks worth of x-over parts.  And that's a lot of companies doing that.  I spoke to him on the phone a couple of times about changes to my speakers which he likes(surprise !).  No mods to the design, just parts swapping which I was considering already, and then I see his video.  I called the speaker manufacturer's distributor in the states and discussed these changes.  One important aspect was warranty issues which they weren't too concerned about.  There take was that they as a company have to decide where to best spend the budget (cost) of manufacture of the speaker system.  You could improve the x-covers ad infinitum.  Where do you stop?  Each dollar extra spent by them adds five dollars to the retail cost of the speakers. Danny's prices are fair; he did the analysis and his time and that's worth something.  Parts quality is very good, although I have an issue with those connectors he uses and insists are the best choice.  Even in his description of why they're better, part of it doesn't make sense to me.  The distance between the wire from the driver and the speaker cable; still has two solder joints and two pieces of copper between them.  I don't see how that distance whether it's a half-inch, a quarter, or even a sixteenth of an inch makes a difference not to mention makes changing out, testing other speaker cables problematic.

The few Harbeths I've heard are pleasant sounding, inoffensive and uninvolving. I feel they are overated and very overpriced.

Alan Shaw states:

The first point is ’cost is no constraint

we will add components and complexity to achieve, in combination with the shape of the cabinet and the characteristics of the drive units, the smoothest measurable frequency response.

 

If cost is no object/constraint then what are all those grainy sand cast resistors doing in there???  There is no place in high-end audio for these nasty things including power supplies.  He is also parading 'the smoothest measurable frequency response as a badge of honour.

To those gasping in horror, let me explain. Each and every component in an XO is doing some damage to the signal and in the example above, Danny counted about 30 components! Yes the resultant frequency plot is impressively smooth, but at what cost?

I built a little speaker using a small fullrange Fostex driver. Sounded great but had an upper midrange peak. OK no problem, I threw together a notch filter consisting of a cap, coil and resistor all in parallel and wired into one of the speaker wires. This gave the impression of more bass and was a better balanced sound, BUT, it killed the life and dynamics. It was quickly removed.

Understand that this was not an XO as such, just a simple filter. Now try using an XO with about 30 components. Understand also that 30 cheap as chips components will 'measure' exactly the same as 30 better components but will not sound the same. It does however please many who need to see its response graph. More important is a clean CSD and proper phase tracking around XO. The expanded vertical axis in the plots shown in the video appear worse than they are because grads are at 5dB not 10dB, but just look at the waterfalls. 

And now a final sobering thought. Place your great measuring speaker in the average room and the acoustics of said room just make a total farce out of the holy grail of 'flat response' Those with measuring kit will know what I mean.

 

Danny is one of the only people I've ever seen describe the phase relationship issue between drivers so clearly.  This concept seem to elude a lot of engineers, which is clear by seeing his pre-mod measurements.  So often I go to audio shows and many speakers have a weird hollow indistinct sound that is clearly phase issues going on in the midrange, robbing the music of transient clarity.  While I have no firsthand experience with Danny's work, I really like what he's saying, and the way he explains things.  I've built many of my own speakers, but without good measurement equipment, I'm using trial & error to get to a sound that I like.  I just do it for fun (and frustration).  

Danny is one of the most down to earth people I have ever been around. As others have stated his long list of best sound at shows is well known. He is quite a gifted designer and has created a niche that seems to cause some people heart burn.

He has gained a following due to his skills and ability to showcase them and not relying on "paid magazine reviewers" to hawk his products and services. He has paid his dues and has never been less than a true gentlemen. He doesn’t push things he cannot demonstrate as superior and knows how to stretch the engineering level of drivers to achieve better results than a great many boutique speaker makers.

He offers a product and people purchase. Word of mouth has always been the best advertising and he has been on a long journey to earn all that he has acheived. If some want to knock him, it is without merit or understanding what value he has brought to a great many. He is one of the best I have ever been around personally.