I have Denafrips Ares II with the Node 2i. I use a coax connect, and the Ares II is much better than the Node 2i DAC.
Bluesound Node 2021 DAC - I sold my Denafrips Ares II
I assembled my system last summer, after 20 odd years in the hifi wilderness. I’ve never been a vinyl guy, so wanted all the convenience of streaming, plus a CDP for my old collection.
I went for the latest iteration of the Bluesound Node - N130, a Naim Nait 5si and a pair of Quad S2 speakers, and Audiolab 6000CDT.
From reading various forums, watching YT videos, you know the script; I convinced my self that I needed an external DAC, as the majority view seemed to be that the BS Node DAC wasn’t very good. As I hadn’t owned hifi since the late 90s (Naim Olive) bi-amped system and Audo Alchemy DDE, I had no reference for how DACs sounded these days.
Anyway, in my new found conviction that I must purchase an ext. DAC, I purchased a Denafrips Ares II. Got it, plugged it in, and didn’t look back. I was content, it sounded good.
Then, about 2 months ago, I was fiddling around inside the Bluos app, with the subwoofer crossover, with a mind to buying a sub to supplement the LFs on my little Quads, and I had the belated brainwave to a/b the Node DAC and the Denafrips. I whipped out some spare ICs and off I went.
OK, I felt like such a fool, really stupid - I a/b’d for literally hours, trying to convince myself that the Ares II was night and day difference - it must be right? The Node DAC is sub-par, not good enough, mediocre, if things I read were correct.
But, in my system, to my ears, this wasn’t the case; I had difficulty discerning any significant improvements, certainly not £800 (£600 pre-owned) worth of difference.
I’m not knocking the Ares II, but in my system, the cost and the difference it made - and the difference between it and the much maligned Node DAC could not be justified sitting in my system at that cost.
Feeling like a complete tool, for rushing headlong in to the DAC game, I re-sold the Denafrips, bought a REL T5x and here I am.
I’m not going to look a further fool and say the Node DAC is the best, but i feel it is criticised unduly, at least the newest version at any rate.
Thanks for reading, I’m not sure this is a cautionary tale, but I just thought the experience worth sharing
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I ran the Node2 for about a year with no external DAC (BAT VK-5i tube preamp & BAT VK-600 w/ bat pack solid state amp) feeding my Apogee Acoustics Duetta II Signature full range ribbon speakers. I then upgraded by adding the MHDT Orchid tube DAC (with a Silnote Audio “classic” entry level digital coax cable to the Orchid and the Silnote Audio entry level RCA to balanced XLR cables). I must say it was a huge upgrade. The Node DAC sounded ok, but compared to the Orchid it is muddy, lacking dynamics across the board. In my experience the Orchid is better in every way and switching out the tube gives the sound a different flavor. I don’t see myself purposely ever going back to not having an external DAC with the Node2. |
@painter24 - the posts above seem to be a mix of Add a DAC or DAC Not equired There are a few mentions about the digital cables to connect the two with, but I see no mention of how adding Interconenct cables and power cables to the Node 2i has any impact - until this post. I have owned a Node 2 and now the Node 2i for several years and have tried many difference cables i.e. both power and Interconnect ALL the Bluesound products I have tried (I now own three) have responded extremely well to good Power cables and Interconnects for the Node 2i I use an ethernet connectoin on two of them and Wifi on the Pulse Mini speaker The Power and Interconnect cables elevated the Node 2i to performance levels that surprised me, trouncing my Bifrost performance (which also had great cables) by a considerable margin. If anyone wants to "improve" the performance of their Bluesound products take a look at these cables
I believe you would need to add a very good DAC in order to compete with the Node2i when connected with great cables!. Just another opinion Regards - Steve
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Interesting. Maybe you've already answered this but would be good to know how you connected the Node to the Ares II. The optical toslink will always sound subpar so definitely avoid that. Then the choice is between USB and coaxial, and I've been told USB is the way to go (see ) I had a Bluesound Node 2i running into a Denafrips Ares 2 with a coaxial cable. Was about to upgrade to the 2021 Node so as to have USB output when I came across the ifi Zen Stream. I've had the Zen Stream for 2 weeks now, running into the Ares 2 with a USB cable, and I can say it's a very big improvement over the Node 2i: less noise, bigger/deeper soundstage, and greater clarity. I also have a LPS on order and will post a review/thread once that arrives. In any case, while I'm sure the onboard DAC in the Node is good, I think you must have had some other issues that prevented the Ares 2 from outperforming the onboard DAC (unless you don't like the sound of R2R DACs like the Denafrips).
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