Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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tomthiel

I did in fact remove the 5.5" lag bolt and used a (perfect fit) 3" hole saw to remove the back of the cavity. The piece that came out was 1/2" deep. The Morel MDT32S are both in and I have the speakers playing for the first time in 20 years as I type. The fact that you were very likely the one who shaped the baffles on these in the early eighties is pretty special. 

Thank you for the recommendation on the bass equalizer repair. My uncle kept all of the documentation with these speakers and I see that the equalizer was repaired (at no charge!) on 3-8-93 for "popping and static noise on output". The RCA jacks were replaced with the CS3.5 gold type.

Jim

 

unsound

Rob Gillum recommended the Morels. I looked high and low for the Dynaudios and placed an order with High Performance Stereo, but ended up having to get PayPal involved because they took my money and never shipped and would not respond to my inquiries. I advise everyone here to be cautious dealing with them. 

unsound - thank you as always for chiming in. Indeed a replacement driver is really the beginning of a redesign project and not the end. To elaborate: as you say, Jim considered all aspects as a system. Each driver has its Thiele/Small parameters carefully chosen for its tasks, plus its particular resonances and anomalies which he carefully modeled and corrected in the crossover such that the net acoustic roll-off was 6dB/octave with very flat impedance characteristics to realize very flat frequency, phase, time and impedance characteristics. Note that the only way he could get by with necessarily low impedances was by engineering an extremely resistive load. Changing a driver will change all or nearly all those parameters to defeat the subtleties of the design.

All that said, Madisound is a very knowledgeable distributor and they know a lot about their drivers. Rob has worked with them to choose the most appropriate available replacements.

Note also that Morel's inception was to pirate the Dynaudio designs, complete with international lawsuits, etc. So, the Morel replacements are quite likely the closest available replacement for the D28-AF.

Worth mentioning is the D28-AF was used in the CS2, CS3 and CS3.5. That 28mm driver has 20% more radiating area than 25mm domes.

As a generalization, I had hoped to endorse replacements by this time, but haven't gotten there yet. A real product update requires not only new drivers, but redesigned crossover networks. As a DIY, you can get pretty close with what's available, but a professional undertaking requires more diligence.

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@jchussey , I didn't realize that the original tweeters were also in short supply. I'm so sorry to read that you had such difficulties with "High Performance Stereo". Your reporting of it is a service to us all. I'm confident that your warning will be heeded.