Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
jafant

unsound - thank you as always for chiming in. Indeed a replacement driver is really the beginning of a redesign project and not the end. To elaborate: as you say, Jim considered all aspects as a system. Each driver has its Thiele/Small parameters carefully chosen for its tasks, plus its particular resonances and anomalies which he carefully modeled and corrected in the crossover such that the net acoustic roll-off was 6dB/octave with very flat impedance characteristics to realize very flat frequency, phase, time and impedance characteristics. Note that the only way he could get by with necessarily low impedances was by engineering an extremely resistive load. Changing a driver will change all or nearly all those parameters to defeat the subtleties of the design.

All that said, Madisound is a very knowledgeable distributor and they know a lot about their drivers. Rob has worked with them to choose the most appropriate available replacements.

Note also that Morel's inception was to pirate the Dynaudio designs, complete with international lawsuits, etc. So, the Morel replacements are quite likely the closest available replacement for the D28-AF.

Worth mentioning is the D28-AF was used in the CS2, CS3 and CS3.5. That 28mm driver has 20% more radiating area than 25mm domes.

As a generalization, I had hoped to endorse replacements by this time, but haven't gotten there yet. A real product update requires not only new drivers, but redesigned crossover networks. As a DIY, you can get pretty close with what's available, but a professional undertaking requires more diligence.

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@jchussey , I didn't realize that the original tweeters were also in short supply. I'm so sorry to read that you had such difficulties with "High Performance Stereo". Your reporting of it is a service to us all. I'm confident that your warning will be heeded. 

Hi..

Im new here, have posted some posts on another thread, but no one there..

I am the owner of a Thiel collection for home cinema..

I have two Thiels 2.4 which are going to be upgraded to SE, but I'm not quite sure on what for brand capacitor/ coils.. Miflex (kpcu) or Duelund..

But before it get around to them I'm going to replace the resistances on my four SCS3-N coax speakers with mills.

And I've just ordered four SCS coax units from Rob Gillum which makes a total of five.. I've just ordered resistances for all these speakers (mills) and the coils (in all my own built speakers I only have copper foil coils from Mundorf) and the center speaker will be fitted with clarity caps and the other four, for Dolby Atmos, with Mundorf.. 

And then there's the subwoofer... Thiel TSW 12.1.. 

I'll post some pictures when I'm done..

 

Just a question on the 2.4 upgrade to SE.. is it preferable to use a single capacitor with 14 and 28 uF (when I go for Duelund, I'll be ordering these values if that would be better..) or the combinations of 13+1 and 27+1, like it is now. And if I go for 14 instead of 13+1, would I have to change anything else (coils/ conductance or resistance values)?

 

Have a nice day

Pieter

 

 

pieper1973

 

Welcome! Good to see you here. Stand by until one of our DIY guys chimes in to address your query. The CS 2.4 loudspeaker is a Honey. Even better once upgraded to "SE" status. I look forward in reading more about your Musical taste and system.

 

What are the Serial Numbers (S/N) on your pair?

 

Happy Listening!