Law of Accelerated Returns


I think back over the many decades of pursuing high end audio and I realize some of the most inspirational were listening to state of the art systems. Systems I could never dream of affording. I occasionally would get up early and drive the two hours to Phoenix in hopes of finding no one listening to the state of the art system in “the big room” at one of the four or five high end audio stores there in the early ‘90’s.

One such time I was able to spend over an hour with the most amazing system I have ever heard: Wilson WAAM BAMM (or something like that… all Rowland electronics, Transparent interconnects). The system cost about over $.5 million… now, over a million… although I am sure it is even better (I can’t imagine how)..

 

But listening to that system was so mind blowing… so much better than anything I could conceive of, it just completely changed my expectation of what a system could be. It was orders of magnitude better than anything I had heard.

 

Interestingly, as impressed as I was… I did not want “that” sound, as much as I appreciated it. It still expanded my horizon as to what is possible. That is really important, as it is really easy to make judgments on what you have heard and not realize the possibilities… like never having left the small town in Kansas (no offense).

I keep reading these posts about diminishing returns. That isn’t the way it works. I recently read an article by Robert Harley in The Absolute Sound called the Law of Accelerated Returns that captures the concept perfectly. March 2022 issue. The possibilities in high end audio is incredible. Everyone interested in it in any way deserves to hear what is possible. It is mind expanding. 

 

 

ghdprentice

@asctim And what I said about changing just one thing at a time in audio being tricky is indeed illustrated by your experience.

The two amps are quite different in many of their characteristics. I know Topping are very committed to being "transparent" - adding nothing to the source material. Like it sounded in the studio. This is actually something that most people probably haven’t experienced first hand.

Other amps (especially tube amps) add 2nd and 3rd harmonics, and I would say that the Hafler amp probably does too from your description. There is much more involved, but that is sufficient for now. There has been research into why the brain interprets these aspects as pleasing.

So, a bit like comparing a photo of something (perhaps one by Ansel Adams?) with a painting of the same subject.

What is important about all this in the context of the thread is that this comparison cannot be captured at all well by the concept of marginal return, because the technologies are rather different.

What must be compared are at least two recent releases by the same manufacturer, just at different price points. One may cost twice as much as the other one, and the sonic difference rather slight. If any. One that only a reviewer may be able to discern.  

But I dunno, the more I think about it the more I think that anything like that (demonstrating declining marginal return) is just giving some warped credibility to whatever it is that Mr Harley was on about, and I no longer want to do that - he made a claim so its his responsibility to prove it.

This is a dismissal of the nature that is known as Hitchen’s Razor.

 

...Black Swans and Blue Roses....*s*

@jerryg123, you might give an Ohm a whirl, if only to scratch that itch. ;)

As mapman and I are more than happy to proselytize, Ohms (and Walshs' in general) are as close to an MBL pair as one is going to achieve without selling the family to shady sources.....and the relatives for the equipment to drive them. ;)

They Definitely will 'discern' Differently.  Puttering with placement can stifle or shine, and the latter moves the room 'elsewhere'.... *S*

They're good about returns, evidently.  Never needed to.

...and, at least with mine, no L or R notations on them....😏

Can't return them to myself, but I'm my own warranty and working on making that unnecessary to try....*L*

("Step away from the boxes, and walk away....")

I am very intrigued @asvjerry and might give them a test drive in one of my smaller systems. I do respect your opinion and that of @mapman.