Let me end the Premp/Amplifier sound debate ...


I'm old enough to remember Julian Hersch from Audio magazine and his very unscientific view that all amplifiers sounded the same once they met a certain threshold.  Now the site Audio Science Review pushes the same.

I call these views unscientific as some one with a little bit of an engineering background as well as data science and epidemiology.  I find both of these approaches limited, both in technology used and applied and by stretching the claims for measurements beyond their intention, design and proof of meaning.

Without getting too much into that, I have a very pragmatic point of view.  Listen to the following three amplifier brands:

  • Pass Labs
  • Luxman
  • Ayre

If you can't hear a difference, buy the cheapest amplifier you can.  You'll be just as happy.  However, if you can, you need to evaluate the value of the pleasure of the gear next to your pocket book and buy accordingly.  I don't think the claim that some gear is pure audio jewelry, like a fancy watch which doesn't tell better time but looks pretty.  I get that, and I've heard that.  However, rather than try to use a method from Socrates to debate an issue to the exact wrong conclusion, listen for yourself.

If you wonder if capacitors sound different, build a two way and experiment for yourself.  Doing this leaves you with a very very different perspective than those who haven't. You'll also, in both cases, learn about yourself.  Are you someone who can't hear a difference?  Are you some one who can? What if you are some one who can hear a difference and doesn't care?  That's fine.  Be true to yourself, but I find very little on earth less worthwhile than having arguments about measurements vs. sound quality and value. 

To your own self and your own ears be true.  And if that leads you to a crystal radio and piezo ear piece so be it.  In my own system, and with my own speakers I've reached these conclusions for myself and I have very little concern for those who want to argue against my experiences and choices. 

 

erik_squires

@ieales 

No mention of calibrated microphone or calibration standard. Both are necessary.

Not in the context of a relative measurement to set levels for comparing things…

And not in the context of understanding that 90dB is 10dB more than the 80dB reading.
Sure it ought be a real 80.5 and 90.76, but who cares… If the music sounds like 70dB but is reading 80+ dB, then I know it is louder than I usually perceive.

 

Carver made the claim, the Doubting Thomases verified he did what he said he could. 

Personally I would not likely use Carver’s name in an “appeal to authority” based argument.

On a video I saw, his shill also gave me the creeps… it was an unattractive mix of sycophantism and other things. Sort of like a combo of qualudes and whisky seeing those two operate together.

Carver is an innovator with decades long history of accomplishments. And, yes, a bit of a showman.

I'll take than any day over bling purveyors @ Synergistic Research, AudioQuest, REL, et al.

The Carver name means nothing anymore…. It’s a badge for sale for the latest highest bidder to hype and then sully….only for fanboys to justify later as a partnership gone wrong.

But, but, but..Bob’s really excited about this latest venture…will be best ever!

and..repeat.

 

 

@holmz  your post on different systems sounding loud at different SPL is fascinating and fits my experience too. Listening to a friends system, records and tubes and high efficiency speakers I was shocked it measured 100+ Db but didn’t sound’ loud’. My system can be at 50db and be plenty loud. But I don’t understand that at all. Do you have some insight? Hopefully this is on-topic but so it goes.