Intriguing inquiry, are floor-stand speakers always better than active speakers?


Hi guys,

Just a general wondering though, nowadays I've seen a lot of new active speakers, and truth to be told, I find them quite professional indeed, when I go into an audio shop and ask some advice, some might even encourage to purchase the bookshelf speakers, as they're more cost-effective and space-saving hahah.

All that asides, regarding the sound quality matter, it ain't bad at all, but I'm not sure if it's my living room just not that big or some technical matters, the sound experience is actually vivid, but yeah I also think when you put the extra circuit inside the speaker for amplifying use, it'd certainly affect the original performance more or less. Especially under this digital streaming era, every part seems to be specifically separated, so it can perform to its fullest, and lessen the interference between each device.

Anyways, let me know what you think, I'd be grateful, or maybe share you existing setup with us!

Best,

preston8452

I suppose I can, but like each device can perform to its best separately I guess, hahah,

If ^that^ was true, then I would have suspected that you would have passive speaker and power amp?

 

PS Audio is real mellow, and Silent Angel Munich M1T is a new Roon Ready streamer, so I thought it wouldn't hurt to give it a try, turned out it was't bad at ball 😂

What did you try? Without it all or with it?

 

If the KEF accepted the streaming, then you would remove the need for a DAC and then the ADC inside the KEF.
Whether it sounds better, the same or worse remains to be seen.

Usually less stuff in the path can be better.


Personally I prefer separates and I don't like to idea of being stuck with a speaker manufacturer's choice of amplifier.

 

I don't like the idea of being stuck with a manufacturer's choice of passive crossover, with the many feet of lossy wire (air core inductors) and a whole bunch of electronic parts that have "a sound" now stuck forever between my amps and the drivers where the sound begins.  With active, I can get the crossover part done BEFORE the amps at line level without any loss and I can control driver phase to get a phase linear system, and I can get rid of the biggest lossy thing in the entire system, the speaker cable.   Just sayin....

This isn't controversial is it?

Brad

Clearthinker, again you are not thinking clearly. ATC speakers use class A/B amps, not class D.

@ghdprentice --

"There is an economic aspect of active speakers that has a big impact on the market. In general, creating the best system possible at say $25K, $50K, or $200K… typically speakers would be the most expensive investment. You start adding more functions to speakers like amplification, then they get even more expensive. Most audiophiles are not rich enough to just plunk down 50% of there final investment or more in speakers. But they work over time to get there. There is an economic advantage in being able to get the best speakers at any given time and upgrade the amp and other aspects as money becomes available.

So, for the time being this is a real headwind for companies creating active speakers. Less competition, higher cost… smaller niche… I can’t see anything changing this soon."

It’s not an apples to apples comparison factoring in all components here, and the accumulated price this leads to. Part of the advantage with an active design is that both amps and drivers will be given better conditions to work from with the omission of a passive cross-over. I’ve heard excellent active setups with amps so cheap you’d normally never associate with sound that good, and this also points to how amps matter less with active setups. An important reason why amps sound relatively different in passive constellations is to which degree they’re impervious to load, but with the negation of an often complex passive cross-over and amp-to-driver direct coupling the swings in amp performance are somewhat ameliorated, meaning cheaper amps can sound great here and the more expensive alternatives offer less of an uptick in performance - or at least one may not deem it worthwhile in light of the SQ level with cheaper amps. To boot the driver cones are better handled now that the dedicated amps sees them directly, often resulting in less smear and a more transiently clean and resolved sound.

What most don’t seem to realize, still, is that an active design isn’t defined by it being a bundled all-in-one speaker package with amps and all. Active means the filtering is done prior to amplification on signal level, not on the output side of the amp between that and the drivers as a passive network. Naturally an active design can be one where the amps, electronic cross-over/DSP and DAC(s) can be situated as separate components and externally to the speakers - a designer could fully opt for this with preset filter values and recommended components, if he wanted to! Most don’t, however, but that doesn’t mean such a solution can’t be pursued as a DIY approach where one can choose whatever separate components one prefers. Yes, you would have to do filter settings yourself, but why not take tweaking and customization to the next level?

Think about the freedom one is afforded once you get accustomed to handling filter setting by yourself; sitting in your listening position with your laptop or tablet you can make filter setting changes on the fly both getting to learn and further optimize the sound to where you want it to go. You can tailor your system to sound more to your specific liking and acoustics with an extra set of important tools here that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to with passive speakers, and this doesn’t exclude being able to choose every single piece of component in the chain, should you want to. I’m using a Class-A amp for the midrange (~600Hz) on up and Class-D variants for the range below that; quality of wattage where it matters most, and sheer brute force where it’s mostly in demand.

Active configuration as a solution of separates holds the possibility of having your cake and eat it too, it’s just a matter of having an open mind and knowing of that possibility, wanting to explore it, and get on with it.

@phusis 

 

Yes, as in all things there are advantages and disadvantages in different system designs. It is great to discuss different approaches to system design. Most audiophiles are very cautious when trying a new paradigm. I have never had the money I needed to buy the equipment I wanted, and haven’t had the money to cover a step in the wrong direction.

 

Professionally I spent decades choosing new technology for global corporations… decisions each of millions of dollars, and sometimes upon which the very continued existence of the corporation would depend. I am very good at it, ideas that sound good and follow a new path are easy to find, unfortunately many are dead ends. I am not saying active is a dead end… but at this point in high end audio it is not the low risk proposition. Great possibility for one and done,  cutting end types, well healed. But, for me, I would kick the tires a lot before heading down this path, as rosy as it is conceptually.