Limited soundstage between speakers


No matter what the source, the soundstage in my system remains within the width of the speakers. I read with envy of systems which extend the soundstage outside the speaker boundaries. Is this a problem with my speakers, amplification, room boundaries or something else?

What change should I make to improve the soundstage?

gyrodec/shelter 501/exposure 3010s2d/ spendorA6

 

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Comical!

First your remark here made absolutely no sense at all because the acoustic of a personal room dont need to be the exact replica of a mixing studio :

Uh, I doubt the recording engineers used Helmholtz resonators when they mixed the recording.

 

 

Here it is easy to understand that you listen to your system perhaps in some room with some acoustic passive treatment but not to a mechanically controlled room if the sound scape of your system/room stay between the speakers 95 % of the time.... This illustrate the importance of Helmholtz mechanical control for fine tuning specific speakers to as specific room...Because most of my albums not only have imaging but a depth sound scape out the speakers surface axis in the front/back direction , not so often in the left/right direction outside of the speaker... like i say in some rare recording it is even better, my soundscape may come AROUND me and from behind or some voices be beside my ears with the orchestra behind the speakers inside the wall...

lso, as a reviewer I got to hear many $500k+ systems in well-treated rooms, and in NONE of them did I hear 50% of the sound coming from outside the speakers unless the recording called for it, and 95% do not

 

 

Also being a reviewer you may probably be like many audiophile a "gear fetichist" sorry, ignoring the power of acoustic and especially of psycho-acoustic, thinking that S.Q’ come directly from the system speakers instead of the system/room...

Divide the speed of sound by the size of your room if you want to know how many times in one second the soundwaves crossed your room and your ears to understand how REFLECTED waves play also a fundamental role even in NEAR listening position in most small room...In my room it is 13 times per second....If you want to know my room dimension use the speed of sound and make this child calculus...

You sell gear upgrade, i sell creativity and acoustic method at no cost in a dedicated room...

By the way i never pretended that my system is BETTER than most, it is only a relatively well chosen basic low cost one vintage; in the contrary i know perfectly well that half people in audiogon own better system than mine BUT IN BAD ACOUSTIC environment or in not so well treated and controlled room for sure....

My bet, you’ve constructed a room that radically diffuses the sound so you get width at the expense of center fill. You could get that much easier with some cheap Bose 901s. Again, you’re off on your own island and I don’t even understand you.

 

 

You are comical ...I dont bet often myself sorry, i made 2 years listening experiments in my room, enough to know that between DIFFUSION/ ABSORPTION/ REFLECTION, what matter is the appropriate ratio to apply for a scpecific speakers/room /ears relation...

And by the way the first acoustical factor to get right to begin with and the last one to get right in an ongoing set of experiments is naturalness of TIMBRE perception...You cannot have timbre right with DISTORTIONS and excess of diffusion , or excess of absorption or excess of reflections... You cannot have piano timbre right in a bad pressure zones room distribution... Read about timbre perception in acoustic and psycho acoustic...

Timbre perception is the most important acoustic cue... The guide to tune a room, not listener envelopment factor, not imaging and not soundstage...Because you can have "some" imaging with an imperfect system/ room but you cannot have a good instrument timbre in an imperfectly controlled room... Natural sounding Timbre is the hallmark of audiophile experience...

You dont understand me because you read too much audio articles magazine and not enough acoustic/psycho acoustic basic...I dont read marketing article ...

Try Helmholtz...And dont bet about room acoustic you dont know about....

All acoustic effects you dont know about are not explained by alleging "out of phase effect " from the audio system, or excess diffusion or excess reflections in a room ...

I am not deaf, i dont listen to any of my 7 headphones, do you think that i prefer distortions all across my room to a good Stax headphone?

If i could bet with you,  i will  bet you never know what the acoustical definition of "listener envelopment "means in psycho-acoustic, and the way to gain it,  and i bet you never wrote about it in your reviews about the gear...

It is a safer bet than reducing my room to be a distorted mirror with no coherency because you dont know acoustic basic BY YOURSELF AND WITH YOUR EARS experiments......

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I apologize for my impertinent answer to your presomtuous post...

My best to you....

 

 

Maghister, please give example recordings where the soundscape extends well beyond the loudspeakers.  Thank you very much in advance.

See one of my first post above in this thread this recording of the Three penny  opera of Kurt weill amazingly well recorded...

When i listen to is see singers all around waliking, truning their head, the oechestra behind speakers and voices all around me outside speakers, and even beside and NEAR my ears and almost coming from my back....

Acoustic control of the room explain why my room is able to translate the recording cues in my room environment...

Maghister, please give example recordings where the soundscape extends well beyond the loudspeakers.  Thank you very much in advance.

Mahler Symphony 6, Barbirolli/New Philharmonia. Warner Classics 2021 remaster

Pink Floyd, Obscured by Clouds, "Mudmen." Sony Music

Beethoven Symphony no.6, Chailly/Gewandhaus Leipzig. Decca 2011

Pat Metheny, Watercolors, title track. ECM 1977 original mastering

 

Playback is Qobuz through Node2i. Soundstage is wide and deep, well beyond the speakers.

These are different genres. I don’t have the tweaks that @mahgister uses. I use balanced power conditioning, component isolation, with equilateral triangle speaker setup and room treatments.

Nobody need the same exact "tweaks" nor gear, nor exact room treatment or room control..

But everybody need minimal room acoustic and vibrations control and a lower electrical noise floor ..

it seems you have it with your own room /system...

If your sound is not confined in between the speakers axis only and if the instrument timbre and imaging is good...Congratulations!

These are different genres. I don’t have the tweaks that @mahgister uses. I use balanced power conditioning, component isolation, with equilateral triangle speaker setup and room treatments.