Let me end the Premp/Amplifier sound debate ...


I'm old enough to remember Julian Hersch from Audio magazine and his very unscientific view that all amplifiers sounded the same once they met a certain threshold.  Now the site Audio Science Review pushes the same.

I call these views unscientific as some one with a little bit of an engineering background as well as data science and epidemiology.  I find both of these approaches limited, both in technology used and applied and by stretching the claims for measurements beyond their intention, design and proof of meaning.

Without getting too much into that, I have a very pragmatic point of view.  Listen to the following three amplifier brands:

  • Pass Labs
  • Luxman
  • Ayre

If you can't hear a difference, buy the cheapest amplifier you can.  You'll be just as happy.  However, if you can, you need to evaluate the value of the pleasure of the gear next to your pocket book and buy accordingly.  I don't think the claim that some gear is pure audio jewelry, like a fancy watch which doesn't tell better time but looks pretty.  I get that, and I've heard that.  However, rather than try to use a method from Socrates to debate an issue to the exact wrong conclusion, listen for yourself.

If you wonder if capacitors sound different, build a two way and experiment for yourself.  Doing this leaves you with a very very different perspective than those who haven't. You'll also, in both cases, learn about yourself.  Are you someone who can't hear a difference?  Are you some one who can? What if you are some one who can hear a difference and doesn't care?  That's fine.  Be true to yourself, but I find very little on earth less worthwhile than having arguments about measurements vs. sound quality and value. 

To your own self and your own ears be true.  And if that leads you to a crystal radio and piezo ear piece so be it.  In my own system, and with my own speakers I've reached these conclusions for myself and I have very little concern for those who want to argue against my experiences and choices. 

 

erik_squires

Well I answered your question truthfully @rauliruegas and I have no practical way to  subjectively listen to every amp, nor to go through every subjective review.

So I go somewhat by others using similar speakers have found to work, as well as using objective measurements to try and exclude gear.

However my last two amp are one that my friend with the Mangaplanners sold to be secondhand.

For Class A, A/B, and D distortion and IMD do give some indication of the quality.
Tubes amp as well, but there are very low performing tube amps that sound nice dues to the distortion profile that Ralph and others have pointed out.

Most people are not likely to mod their amps with different capacitors as the OP had mentioned, so shooting equipment can be a complicated path.

 

Distortion is measured statically.

Usually it is measured in the frequency domain... rather than statistically.
Time domain measurements are also possible.

Dear @holmz  : I have an audio friend that own the Halcro DM-58 amps, I will contact him to share the idea to listen in his system against the Benchmark or Divialet problem is to find out these last amps. Anyway, your points in the subject were welcomed for me including the last one:

 "" Usually it is measured in the frequency domain... rather than statistically.
Time domain measurements are also possible. ""

 

R.

The fundamental error of Julian Hirsch, and most 'Alikists' is believing there is a correlation between a static measurement and a complex dynamic process. At best there is a Venn diagram-like overlap. Another poster mentioned that no component can be evaluated 'in exclusis'. With which I agree completely. Also, I encourage people to read the book 'Cork Dork' by Bianca Bosker. Besides a fun read, there is an excellent chapter on the science behind how palates are trained to pick up subtle differences simply lost on others. The parallels to audio are striking and I think valid. No one would state that two wines of equal alcohol content taste the same. 

Thanks for book recommendation and your interesting post...

The fundamental error of Julian Hirsch, and most 'Alikists' is believing there is a correlation between a static measurement and a complex dynamic process. At best there is a Venn diagram-like overlap. Another poster mentioned that no component can be evaluated 'in exclusis'. With which I agree completely. Also, I encourage people to read the book 'Cork Dork' by Bianca Bosker. Besides a fun read, there is an excellent chapter on the science behind how palates are trained to pick up subtle differences simply lost on others. The parallels to audio are striking and I think valid. No one would state that two wines of equal alcohol content taste the same.