Tube amp question


I am a novice tube amp owner. I have had my Black Ice Audio Fusion F22 for not quite a year. I want to understand plate voltage and how it impacts tubes or vice versa. I want to roll the tubes to the KT150's which Black Ice has said can be used without issue. The plate voltage of the amp is 500v. In other posts, someone said that KT150's require a minimum of 600v at the plate. Since Black Ice says their amp can use them, does this rating depend on the circuit? I have some basic understanding of electronic circuits and I googled plate voltage but I'm still not clear on what it is exactly. Can someone knowledgeable with tube amps help me understand this? Thanks!

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What concerns me is that some of you are telling this person to bias to a certain level on his amp. It should be noted that bias levels are not universal from amp to amp. No Hickok ever made will properly test most power tubes which would include 6BQ5s. Now this doesnt mean that a tube wont continue to be linear as the plate voltage is increased from tester to tester, but most suitcase testers will not give you an accurate reading because they dont test at real world operating levels. 

 

For the record I do not like amplifiers that can accommodate a wide range of power tubes. Some have pointed to the possible problems and shortcomings of such designs. However, when in doubt it is a good idea to listen to what Ralph at Atma-sphere has to say on the subject.

best performance and sound quality will be had with the EL34 or 6550 tubes, that no extra wattage will be achieved since the transformers are the limiting factor.

As I suspected. 

I biased them at 50mv per the manufacturer spec. I slowly raised the volume and after about 10 seconds the amp shutdown in protection mode.

Even biased at 50mv, it sounds like they are drawing to much current for the transformers to supply. Stay with EL-34s, 6550s or KT88s. 

FWIW I rolled from stock EL34s to KT150s on my PrimaLuna Dialogue Premium HP integrated and it revolutionized the SQ from that integrated. Very happy with the decision to roll to the KT150s. 

Hello Falconquest. Tubes work by making electrons flow from the cathode to the "Plate" (or anode). "Plate voltage" refers to the amount of attraction (positive voltage) we apply to the plate to get the electrons to flow. The higher the voltage, the more eager the electrons are to flow. We control the amount of "normal" flow by establishing the "bias" (the no Music) flow by appropriate circuitry. By applying a signal (the music) to a fine screen (like the one that keeps the flies from coming in your window - the grid)) in between the cathode (a cylinder of metal coated with a substance the produces a cloud of electrons when heated) and the plate. Physical construction of the tube's innards vary, but you get the idea. The normal current flow is changed by the signal on the grid. It's that change that interests us. That changing electron flow goes through a transformer. The transformer has two sets of wires wrapped around it's metallic core. The Primary Winding carries the current going through the tube on its way to the source of positive voltage. The current varies with the music and produces a voltage in the Seconday Winding of the transformer. The transformer's secondary is connected to your speakers and produces the sound in your room. There are ways of eliminating the output transformer, but it's quite a trick. The easiest (and cheapest) way to get more power out of the amp is to raise the Plate Voltage. But that shortens the life of the tube. So, since it's the change in the current flow through the tube that produces the musical output, if we can get the same amount of current change at a lower plate voltage, we get less wasted heat, lower power consumption, less expensive output transformers, and longer tube life. Bob Carver produces certain models of amps with tubes that run so cool that you can put your hand on the tubes while the music plays and not burn your hand. Those tubes last for decades, not years. Happy listening.