Speaker positioning: why do audiophiles neglect this so much?

Is there anyplace online where basic guides mentioned throughout this thread on speaker placement, room acoustics, and related subjects are delineated? I read up on this when I first got my new system and meant to get a book or two, but never got around to it. If there was a good guide online somewhere to be followed, or maybe even a Youtube video, it would be interesting to revisit this subject.

Especially something with information on how to optimize performance within the limits of a furnished, existing listening space. It would also be interesting to figure out how much more performance could be wrung out of your current set-up or how far from optimal it’s currently operating at.

When purchasing my system I wondered about how much getting a pre or integrated amp with room acoustic software like the Lyngdorf would compensate for room deficiencies and improve the listening experience.

Good thread.

Mike

 

@mahgister said:

I am not a gear fetichist but a student of experimental acoustic IN MY ROOM ....

My wife puts up with acoustic panels on walls and I have autonomy in speaker and listening position - but don’t think I’d get away with the experimental room tuning you’ve got going on:

https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8221

There are lot of crystals, beads, pyramids, copper foil wrapped gizmos, and bottle resonators in that room. Even beads against cables and copper discs on power connectors.

It conveys a sense of the arcane.

I do not think I would run the scheme by the Haus boss.

The speaker-room interface is the most important aspect in getting good sound from one's audio system. It is really the first thing that needs to be attended to when setting up an audio system. 

Here are some links to the best places to start on this:

1. The Wilson Audio Setup Procedure (W.A.S.P.) - YouTube

This video from the late David A. Wilson gives some good background information in the first 5 minutes of the 20 minute video. The actual procedure is not something one can do on one's own, so forget that.

2. Sumiko master set-up process - AudioAficionado.org

The Sumiko/Master Set procedure is an outgrowth from the research by Sterling Trayle when he owned Sumiko Importers in Berkley California. This is pretty DIY friendly that anyone can do by following the steps in Post #2 in the thread. The most difficult part may be obtaining the setup disc/files. But the setup song does work really well for doing this. Better than anything else.

3. Master Set & Rational Speaker Placement How To For GREAT SOUNDSTAGE - YouTube

This is a really long video of one person's experience in setting up his speakers. It is quite helpful.

4. And then there is full on DSP, such as DEQX.

The optimal placement, aka "points of the living sound" where it all jumps to another level, requires a dedicated room in most cases. There you can place it to a millimetre exactly where it should be, and often it's about 1/3 from the back wall and well away from the side walls.  It is simply unrealistic in a family living room with its' furniture, TV sets, kids and your better half. 

The optimal placement question is the most complex to evaluate because there is 2 method to do so...

One with the help of a microphone and an electronical equalizer...

Another way is instead of using a precise tested frequency response, to use instead a large bandwidth response like a singer voice timbre for example and replace a microphone by your ears and replace the electronical equalizer by an Helmholtz mechanical equalizer made of many bottles or tubes which will act like resonators and diffusers at different locations in the room ....

The two methods are complementary, the E.Q. adress the speaker response to the  unmodified room with a microphone an a single tested frequency , the other the M.E. adress the  modified room response to the speakers with your timbre perceiving tuning ears...

The E.Q. equalization will ask for a MILLIMETER exact location for golden spot...

The M.E. tuning process will give a larger spot for location in inches for golden spot...

it is better to use the two methods... But it take a dedicated room...