The sound quality from DACs - is it all the same?


I've been talking to my cousin brother about sound quality. He is a self-proclaimed expert audiophile. He says that Audio Science Review has all of the answers I will need regarding audio products.

In particular, he says an inexpensive DAC from any Chinese company will do better than the expensive stuff. He says fancy audio gear is a waste of money because the data is already bit-perfect.  All DAC chips sound the same. Am I being mislead? 

He also said that any DAC over $400 is a waste of money. Convincing marketing is at play here, he says.

He currently owns a Topping L30 headphone amplifier and D30 Pro DAC. He uses Sennheiser HD 569 headphones to listen to music.  I'm not sure what to think of them. I will report my findings after listening one day! (likely soon, once I get some free time)

- Jack 

 

 

jackhifiguy

I think it's cute that so many of you think this is a serious thread........🙄

indeed...

I am credulous toward people and lend them good faith...

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But you are right it is probably not a serious thread created by the OP  BUT  i am not a dupe because i answered seriously to a bait...

Sometimes being wise is acting like we have not see the string behind the clothes...But staying  silent is always the best politic... I am not as wise as i think i am  either anyway...

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"Indeed"....

I always like these discussions it makes those people that own a kia think that is is better or at worse on par with a rolls Royce or a Bentley. Or if they fill it with premium gas it will run hard against a Ferrari. Thank you for the entertainment. 

These car comparison with gear high end versus lower costing gear make no sense... Why?

Imagine that acoustic conditions are the "road"....

The road is not less important than the gear...

Then yes sometimes lower cost gear can beat a Ferrari if the terrain is prepared for it and not for the other...

Acoustic rule over electronic design... Because we listen to  the gear+room not the gear alone...

Money alone  cannot beat acoustic science...

I always like these discussions it makes those people that own a kia think that is is better or at worse on par with a rolls Royce or a Bentley. Or if they fill it with premium gas it will run hard against a Ferrari. Thank you for the entertainment. 

 

 

 

While I feel the measurements over at ASR have some merit (e.g. if a product is grossly flawed, or measures horribly for its price point) the conclusions drawn solely on measurement numbers are deeply flawed.  It's been said a million times-- measurements do NOT equate sound quality.  One example of a bogus review on ASR would be when Amir measured the effect on tube rolling on an MHDT DAC.  He found no difference in distortion numbers and concluded: 
'"I would not waste time "rolling tubes." You are likely to suffer more from "rolling placebo" by your brain than any variation in such tubes." '

This is one unit, one set of tubes, with irrelevant measurements (measuring distortion?). Also, how the hell could he jump to that conclusion with an N=1?  Depending on the type of equipment, the circuit design the tubes are in, and the type and quality of tubes used, tube rolling obviously, and sometimes drastically results in sonic differences.  It was that "review" that sealed the deal for me at ASR. There is NO real science there.  

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/tube-rolling-does-it-make-a-difference.28583/